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I consider myself a Calvanistic Dispensational Systematic Biblicist who believes in Sola Scriptura. Am I possible? :confused: :D

Have mercy, Markea has absolutely nothing to say about what election pertains to. I consider myself somewhat of dispensationalist, but my friend, I don't think you can offer anything that says that election does NOT pertain to salvation.

Is that all you can bring to the table?? I, or in your case, we, can play this game as well. You guys haven't discussed scripture AWC and myself have brought up. You still have yet to disect them individually. All you have brought to the table is your feelings on the subject and continue to...

Please read these verses again. Romans 8:29 says "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;" This is a prime example of what I explained before. Romans 8:29 speaks of finite time and...

There is a good reason. We as Christians are still sinners and sin every day. Our sinful nature leads us to use our feelings rather than scripture to answer these tough questions. Again and again, you are bringing up scripture that refers to man's perspective, not God's. You still haven't...

Read this again: Romans 8:30 says "these whom He predestined (to determine or appoint BEFOREHAND), He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified". Can you honestly tell me that Paul isn't referring to eternal life in this verse...

JerryShugart, Why do you come back with other verses rather than addressing the mountain of scripture AWC and myself have provided? Are you avoiding these verses on purpose? You're entire response above is in regards to man's perspective (which I explained earlier). If you want to...

Here's my logical conclusion: a. God's ways aren't always logical to us (his ways are higher). If God chooses some and not others. That doesn't automatically allude to him choosing randomly. Again, he's God and he does what he wants, when he wants , and however he wants. God supercedes...

And yet Markea continues to not provide any real explanation of the scripture AWC and myself have provided. Why?? because there is no way around the sovereignty of God. Please read this verse and try to attempt the switcharroo like you've done with all the other verses. Romans 8:30 says...

I've yet to see Holdon or Markea explain themselves contextually about their stance in regards to the abundance of text AWC has provided. I think it's pretty obvious that belief is required on the believer's part. It's also obvious that because we are finite beings, the Bible speaks in finite...

Easy, because Paul knows that he is talking to finite beings who make decisions (volition).

About your first comment. I'm rehashing both what AWC said what others including you have said. I'm not saying we cannot repent, cannot believe, cannot accept, cannot hear, etc...IN FINITE TIME. We obviously take part in these. The Bible substantiates this. We are not God though. Again, he...

Wow, I think you and I agree on a lot of things AWC :D.

Good points Dispy.

Wow, great thread but let me interject. Let me try to make this easier for both of you to understand. We have to continually understand we are finite beings. God isn't. He isn't bound to time as we are. Augustine_was_Calvanist is 100% correct when stating that salvation isn't based on our will...

That is crazy. They are definitely in my prayers.

It's definitely nuts that we are experiencing such natural disaster right now.

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