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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    Forgiveness - You can forgive someone yet not make them your spouse (or, with adultry, divorce the person). Forgiveness applies to generic relationships (everyone someone meets) but it neither assures the creation nor sustaining of a "special" relationship (best friend, significant other...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    Reading what I wrote... lots of typos, my sympathy if you tried to get anything out of it. Be content :)
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    The social ceremony is quaint, but social approval means very little to me. In the event I wed someone, I would consider that person my spouse from our births to our deaths (exempting of course adultry, in which case the relationship would be undone). If you have no reason to believe you've...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    This has nothing todo with forgiveness or sin.
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    I've addressed this by the separation of "wrong" from "sin" - "wrongness" is a necessary discriminator that functions within bounds of what's moral behavior. Notions of "wrongness" is what decides on a single spouse out of 1 million eligible Christians. What's continuing is this insistance that...
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    Virginity and Marriage

    I've replied to most of these points ad nauseam: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=16379830#post16379830 http://www.christianforums.com/t1764540-should-a-virgin-marry-a-non-virgin.html&page=3 The gist of why what's being said here is incorrect: - Forgiveness is not forgetting...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    The past & the models/paradigms used to interpret it are our indicators of future states. From my point of view, if a state transition is reversible, it's not worthy of that much concern. Thus if adultry is OK if it is somehow knowable to me that the person will never commit adultry again...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    I'll try a different approach. Sin is what offends God, thus sin should not be engaged in out of respect to God. Wrongness is something you personally would rather avoid. For example, if you believe in living debt free, a mortgage is wrong. Nothing todo with sin. I believe in life-long marriage...
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    Should a virgin marry a non virgin?

    1st - Let's assume fornication is not sin. It's perfectly valid for something to be considered wrong and not be sin, that just means it's something inappropriate for you, but not something outlined in the Bible as inappropriate. For example, rap music is wrong to me - I don't enjoy listening...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    You shouldn't ask why someone refuses to date you though - that's their discretion. I've said before, my views on dating non-virgins wouldn't change if fornication weren't noted as a Biblical sin. Willingness to forgive is NOT related to accepting someone into a marital relationship (or even...
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    Should a virgin marry a non virgin?

    Some extreme examples... a) Person A beats Person B. Person A apologizes, Person B keeps no record. Person A beats Person B. Person A apologizes, Person B keeps no record... b) Person A is dating Person B. Person A cheats on Person B. If Person B keeps a record, how can Person B justify...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    I haven't stated that it's possible to stereotype a virgin or non-virgin by personality. Nor have a stated that it's possible to stereotype a virgin or non-virgin by values. I have stated that I think marriage should be life-long and that can have nasty consequences with non-virgins. I'll add...
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    Should a virgin marry a non virgin?

    I just posted this in another thread, but I'll post it again. Personally, I wouldn't date someone who's had consensual sex with someone under any circumstances. However, this rigidity has a lot todo with quirks in my value system - you'd need to decide for yourself if virginity was that...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    My views are definately different than most - I try not to pay attention to what everyone else is doing when I set my personal policies. I think my mind-body, happiness/pleasure separation is the heart of the differences though - I make a concious effort to not seek pleasure.
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    Whether or not a virgin-only dating policy for self necessarily generalizes to all virgins is something I disagree with. People have different priorities, mine emphasize virginity (probably because I'm a very private person), other virgins may find virginity significantly less important in a...
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    I seek God's input so that I may have control over my mind such that I may make the decisions I wish to be judged on. I view my actions as my responsiblity, thus they should come from my choices. May my choices be governed by the same values as He has in His perfection.
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    Quite possible. As I said before, if God identifies someone for me to marry, if I'm so inclined to marry, then I shall decide I'm not inclined to marry.
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    Do you expect an apology from any future non-virgin girlfriend/boyfriend?

    I don't think God favors me to be married, and possibly doesn't favor me to remain celibate (not sure about that). In this hypothetical situation, my interpretation would be "if you are to marry, this is the person you should marry". I wouldn't consider it disobediance at all to decide instead...
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    Ecology...

    Various points: - You're probably thinking of the Los Angeles metropolitian area (metro). I didn't know anyone who had used public transportation in Orange County (greater LA metro) and even the universities provided enough parking (opposed to Seattle). The bay area metro I think has more in...
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    Your Love Is Not Enough

    I value devotion, which I suppose one could argue is respect in a sense, but not respect as the OP's article presented respect.