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Of course you say baptism is essential, your prophet says it is. I already know your view on every single issue because you are Mormon. How about from now on, you just respond to every post, "Whatever Prophet says." I feel it would save you some time and take up less space on the forum.

My quote was in response to a post that indicated that all people can know the truth on all of the biblical issues if they really want to. My response was to show that wasn't true. I just don't want this thread to turn into the old, "I'm right and if you disagree with me you disagree with...

Well then why do we see it differently? I have an earnest and honest desire for truth, and I assume you do also. How are we seeing this so differently if we both can know exactly the truth about everything? I assume it is because people have different points of view. I will not assume your...

I am not silent on the scriptures, I just have a different interpretation than you do concerning some passages. Also, I would like to bring attention to this part of your post, "You are just stating what you think now and not even bothering to try and use the word of God.". Yes, I am stating...

If you define work as "anything you do" then yeah... hearing is a work. Going to Heaven is a work. Loving God is a work. Waking up is a work. Understanding is a work. Retaining conciousness is a work. Existing is a work. However, I don't see how we use the word "work" to describe...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Have you read that chapter or were you just searching for a quote to fit your view? BTW, they were not Jesus's disciples otherwise Jesus wouldn't have had that particular discussion with them. You should read the chapter to understand the context. Belief is a work of obedience? So do you believe...

Also, obedience is not what gets us saved, it is part of being saved.

Obedience to God is a whole bunch of works and a state of heart.

OK, so you are saying that Paul asserted a false statement to the Romans... can you deal with that?

More about that whole works definition... If works are merely things you do the following are works -sweating -taking up space -thinking -living -percieving I hope this shows how WK's definition is lacking.

So by that definition understanding is a work too right? Cause understanding is something you do. One problem with faith being a work. We are saved by faith (Bible). We are not saved by works (Bible). If we are saved by faith and not by works, that means that faith can not be a work...

Can you simply answer my question? Is the following statement TRUE or FALSE? If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. True or false? After you answer whether or not this is true, I will be willing to move on.

Well I think that the Bible not always teaching in black and white is a black and white subject. Cougan, you obviously are one of those people who dont like that and you are trying to put a slant on it that simply is not there to justify your view.

I do not believe people should say that stuff either (for the same reason). Yes. Well there we go. We end up agreeing. I was arguing against the point that baptism is necessary for salvation (eternal). I agree that we should be baptized and it is what God wants us to do. I am also not...

The whole point being made was that the Jews knew what baptism represented basically, a rebirth, a cleansing, or a rite of passage. I wasn't saying that the Jews knew that they were supposed to be baptized into Christ. However, when they heard that instruction, they didn't need the whole...

If anyone cares... My thoughts on this whole subject: It concerns me that people feel the need to make a judgement on all people who have lived since Christ, based on one action. I find it unnecessary to say that baptism is necessary for salvation, because that statement includes...

Exactly. My whole point in all of this is to show that if we make a statement like, "Water baptism is necessary for salvation," it includes all situations (even the extreme). I am not ready to say that God will damn* all those who have not been baptized, as I am sure you are not ready to either.

I dig Ischus.