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This is remarkable. Ryder, are you suggesting that Jesus would do the same? If not, how can we? Peace, Jeff

I'm glad, Caley, that she's sharing her history with you, and that you've found her some free counseling. I know that the cost can be prohibitive, but this sounds promising. As to Nomad's comment, he may be right, but those kind of involvements are way down the road, after God's had an...

Praying too, Caley! Can you get your friend into some professional counseling as well? I've found that there are some excellent Christian therapists out there who can bring their faith into the discussion, which has been amazingly healing. I am close to another young woman who went...

Dear Ephod, (what a great name!) Yes, I suppose it's the "pre-trib" rapture that I find so repugnant. (Maybe even that strange "mid-trib" thing.) That Jesus would "harpazo" the nice folks out and spare them the bad stuff. Really sloppy exegesis, not to mention the worst kind of Christian...

Okay, the Greek, "harpazo" means "snatched." Nothing gentle or rapturous about it. There is no good reason to believe in the rapture, if you're faithful to Scripture, and if you're faithful to Jesus, there are lots of good reasons to tell everyone you can find that this is in fact a hideous and...

Okay, I'll kick in my piece. John 10:16 Says... I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. I've always taken this to mean that Jesus intends to include those who are not part of...

Thanks, Willis, for your cogent list! Makes perfect sense to me! Certainly seems to be what we strive to do (though, like any group, we fail some) in my (Episcopal) church. JK

I'm sorry if I sounded offended.  I wasn't at all, just trying to explain how others might have been.  Funny how assumptions creep in, isn't it? Perhaps assumption is more a problem for those who assume it's someone else's problem? JK

I can surely understand why other people heard Job's question differently.  After all, who better to ask about Episcopalians than Episcopalians, but no, Job didn't do that.  Instead he asked people who don't know much about being an Episcopalian if the Episcopal church was a legitimate...

I guess I'd say that most Episcopalians go with your latter description, though I'd probably take out the "simply."  Her obedience to me is exemplary.  She is certainly not divine in any sense, but in many ways she is the perfect model of the follower of Christ, one who is so obedient...

My apologies for having been away for a few days.  It's been a pretty wild period. I'd be happy to share with y'all what I think are the good things about the Episcopal church, and, maybe even some of the things that I don't like about it.  I see that most of our catechism has...

Well, just for the sake of continuing the discussion, I'm an Episcopalian, and I think I'm a legitimate Christian. I may disagree with Job on some certain points of doctrine, but that doesn't make me think Job is an illegitimate Christian. Gotta say, it's pretty weird watching some of...

Yes it was! ;-) Jeff K

Darn. My apologies for that formatting blunder, I copied it from a Crosswalk page and it put all that gobledygook in , which didn't show when I was pasting it in... Jeff

<DD><B><I><B><I>Matthew 5:38</I></B>ff "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' </I></B><B><I>39</I></B>&nbsp;But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; <B><I>40</I></B>&nbsp;and if anyone...

Sadly, this discussion of literalism began (I think) with a claim that Romans 13:1-6 says we should subject to the government. This isn't even a good literal reading of that text. Note that it says "governing authorities," not government. As an exquisitely written book on Romans has pointed...

Jeremiah was accused of being against his country, too, when he prophesied that God had rejected the Temple. As I recall, they tossed him in a dry well to die. This is how we silence those we don't want to hear. We accuse them of being disloyal (though all I really hope to see is some real...

I confess to being surprised at the venom with which Christians "flame" each other over the issue of peace. I am, with Freodin, a fairly open pacifist. I reject war as a solution to anything. I understand the arguments about what might have happened had we not opposed Hitler et al with...

Thank you, Susan, for beginning this important discussion. Too often we are drawn into arguments about the "necessity" of war that miss God's desire for us altogether. I believe that a careful reading of the Scriptures as Christians leads us to no other conclusion than that God rejects...