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    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    Where does Genesis discuss Satan's fall and rebellion? Don't see it in the book it would logically be in.
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    It's not all Christians, only American ones!

    I certainly think one can use the government to promote change in line with Jesus' teachings. Almost all of the positive changes in the US were due to progressives. Women being allowed to vote, not being property of their husbands, interracial marriage, end to segregation, gay rights, etc...
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    Liberal Christians?

    Some 5 or 6 billion people believe in God(s). The world is far from atheistic. Theism is the overwhelming majority. And most atheists are liberals. Most liberals are not atheists. Christianity is primarily dominate in the Western, 1st world. Most of the 1st world is far more secular and...
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    The Garden of Eden

    Humanity evolved.
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    Liberal Christians?

    Fundamentalists and Evangelicals continue to push me more and more away from the Christian religion entirely. That thread in News and Current Events about the father disowning his gay son, and then people on this board congratulating the father? How disgusting. And then the Fundamentalists...
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    Is there anything in the Bible that addresses trans-genders?

    You're confusing existing in the past, with being understood in the past. Did transgenders exist in ancient times? Sure, they've existed for all of human history. Did anyone have the foggiest clue what causes transgenderism? No, because modern science didn't exist yet. You can't expect...
  7. J

    Is there anything in the Bible that addresses trans-genders?

    And they would be wrong. Neither concept was even discovered or coined until quite recently. It would be like the Bible discussing Heliocentrism, Gravity, or Computers.
  8. J

    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    I never claimed that the Bible requires no interpretation and anything that I want it to say must be right, because I'm just reading what's on the page. My views are based on evidence and logic, not some ridiculous notion that a 4000 year old book translated by for-profit publishing companies...
  9. J

    And Are You Prepared to Stand With the Chicken?

    Sexual orientation is not choice.
  10. J

    And Are You Prepared to Stand With the Chicken?

    No, we're talking about a man with views that do not deserve respect.
  11. J

    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    It does, really? Scripture supports Geocentrism them. Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. The...
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    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    Because both that and the KJV are based on the Latin Vulgate Bible. The DR and KJV were very interrelated translations. That word first appeared in the Wycliffe Bible, also based on the Latin Vulgate. The Hebrew word that it replaced, however, does not have the same meaning. To us...
  13. J

    Is there anything in the Bible that addresses trans-genders?

    No the Bible never addresses it directly. Conservatives will typically lump it in with God not liking any of the LGBT community issues. Gender Identity was also an unknown concept when the Bible was written. Things like Intersex, Transsexuality, etc. would have not been understood by the...
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    Part of the world or not, God's point of veiw. [MOVED]

    Since when? Half of all people sitting in the Sunday Pews are divorced.
  15. J

    And Are You Prepared to Stand With the Chicken?

    Not all views deserve respect and tolerance. Would you criticize us for being intolerant of Nazis for their attitude towards Jews? How about the KKKs views on blacks, do they deserve tolerance?
  16. J

    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    No, you say what YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture says. The Bible was not written in English, and the 5 vague verses you cling to are not as black and white as you want them to be.
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    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    Orientation is not a choice. One can't choose who they are attracted to. You certainly didn't choose to find women attractive, they just are. There is no voluntary, conscious decision making process when determining whether someone is attractive or not. Same reason some people prefer...
  18. J

    So... Chik-fil-a... yeah.

    Family Research Council and Exodus International? FRC spreads malicious, hateful lies about gays and is one of the leading causes of all the anti-gay myths out there (gays are more likely to spread disease, die younger, be pedophiles, etc. - all lies pushed by members of FRC). Exodus...
  19. J

    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    No one has ever been charged with a crime related to homosexuality under Jewish law. And again, abomination does not exist in any scripture prior to the King James Bible. It's a very bad translation of the Hebrew. Stop using it.
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    When is the CHURCH going to force the govt out of it's sacraments

    anthropologist: When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own archives would be cowardly and deceptive. The evidence convincingly shows that what the modern church claims has always been its unchanging attitude towards homosexuality is, in fact...