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Rize, I was pre-wrath for 8 years. I do have Marvin ROsenthal and Robert Kampen too. Both made many good points. However, I disagree with them. True, we do not know the exactly day and hour - Matt 24:36. Impossible we will count 1260 or 1290 or 1335 days countdown till the Second Advent...

Jesus is God. Jesus said on Abraham, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." - John 8:56. Yes, Abraham have faith in Jesus Christ. Christ is God. Jesus already met Abraham with two angels before destroyed Sodom in Genesis 18. Jesus already met...

Carl, Please do not follow Ruckman's example of his attutide criticize on any Christians, pastors, religions, colleges, etc.. about the doctrines. They are Christians. Himself divorced three times. Please do not follow his example. Please respect Christians' beliefs and...

People who follow John Darby's teaching. Darby taught, that, the Church will not go through tribulation to be suffering. Many Churches adopted Darby's teaching in the 19th Century. That's how pretribulation doctrine appeared during 19th Century. John 16:33; Acts 14:22; 1 Thess 3:3-4; and 2...

Daniel 9:24-27 already fulfilled at Calvary. The context of Dan. 9:24-27 is focus on ONE person - Messiah is Jesus Christ, not Antichrist. The context of Dan. 9:24-27 do not saying anything about two persons - Messiah and Antichrist. Dan. 9:24 prosphesy about Calvary. Christ who...

Jeremiah 30:7 - 'Jacob trouble' already fulfilled during captivity under Babylon. You have to read whole chapter 29 and 30 of Jeremiah are talking baout captivity under Babylon. 'Jacob trouble' is talking about Babylon invaded Israel and Jerusaelm about 593 B.C. Many Jews were killed...

Carl, I have a good question for you. Please show me where verse in the Bible saying Rapture will occur 3 1/2 or 7 years earlier BEFORE the Second Advent?? In Christ Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

The gathering cannot occur first till Christ shall be descend from heaven for the coming first - 1 Thess 4:15-16. The gathering cannot occur without Christ comes first. The gathering must occur right follow the coming of the Lord. When, we shall be gathering together to meet Christ at...

Jesus said to them, ""Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." - John 8:56. Jesus already met Abraham during Old Testament time. Jews do not understand what Jesus was talking about, because they noticed Jesus looks so young around age 30 - John 8:57...

RollinThunder, Because, Jesus tells us in John 16:33, that we should have tribulation. Jesus does not promise us, that we will escape from tribulation. Many Christuians are already face tribulaitons since Early Church to today. Apostle Paul tells us, in Acts 14:22, that we must go...

Rollin, Simple, in Matt 28:19 tells us, Jesus says, GO ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS ...." Many nations become saved since Early Church to today. Nations are born again Christians. But, not all individuals of the nations are saved. Because of their choice to make decision...

Carl, The gathering together is in Matt 24:31 is same with 2 Thess 2:1. The gather together will not come till Christ comes first. That is Second Advent. 2 Thess 2:8 and verse 1 of 'coming' is same event. In Christ Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Carl, You do not believe saints of Rev. 13:7 is part of the Body of Christ. I ask you a question, please define word - 'saints', what it does mean? Are you a saint? In Christ Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Carl, There is only ONE covenant, that God already made with Abraham about the seed. God's covenant is eternality. The Old covenant in the during Old Testament times, they do offerings, sacrifices to forgive often and often. When Jesus came to earth, he told them , that He give the new...

Rollin, Aren't you an American? If you saying yes, then, you are part of America - nation. Do you speaking language(tongue)? If you saying yes, then you can speak English! 1 Peter 2:9 telling us, the picture of God's family. We are spiritually nation - Israel. Because Christ called us...

Antichrist shall be destroy at the Lord's coming - 2 Thess 2:8. Carl, you saying, there is no gathering in 2 Thess 2:8. You did not follow the rule of hermenuetic about interpreting the Bible. The context of 2 Thess 2:8 is with verse 1 is talking about our gathering together will be...

Daniel 9:24-27 already fulfilled at Calvary 2000 years ago. The context of Dan. 9:24-27 is focus on ONE person is Messiah - Jesus Christ, not two persons. The context of Dan. 9:24-27 does not saying anything about two persons - Jesus and Antichrist. "Prince" is Jesus Christ Isa...

Carl, Is the saint of Rev. 13:7, part of the body of Christ?

Terri, Does John saying Jesus descend out of the heaven - Rev. 4:1?? Does John saying, he saw Second Advent of Rev. 4:1?? Does John saying, he saw resurrection of Rev. 4:1?? Does John saying, he saw gathering of the saints of Rev. 4:1??

Postrib made a good point. I am 100% complete agree with him. The gathering together will not come till Antichrist shall be destroy at the Second Advent - 2 Thess 2:8. We will see abomination of desolation first - Matt 24:15-21 BEFORE Christ come to gathering us. We will suffer...