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  1. J

    Which are "saved by works"

    Premildispensationalist? I Like it Richard. Me too! Mid acts dispy or what? His.............Joj
  2. J

    stop me if you've heard this one...

    T'was a rather big fat lie.
  3. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    Okay, so let me get this straight. 1) Christ comes back - but you won't be here when he does. Correct. Before Christ comes back to earth He comes for His Church and meets us in the sir. From that point on were are to forever be with the Lord 2) Christ does away with all sin,evil, and...
  4. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    Those applications will transpire after Jesus Christ comes back to earth and puts His enemies under foot and brings His Glorious kingdom to the earth. The animal kingdom will be tamed at this time also. What a Kingdom it will be.:-)....Nothing like this wretched planet now. I dont expect...
  5. J

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    "Actually, it is you who claims it is not a metaphore, not me." WHAT??? Earlier you said those passages were speaking metaphoricly. Then you go on to ask......"How is the "Child playing on the snake pit" NOT a Christian????" It appears from your earlier posts that you believe all the...
  6. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "You just got done saying that gentiles aren't entitled to a new covenant, yet your turn right around and say that they are partakers of a new covenant. Which is it?" Sorry, I should have made myself more clear. We are in the sense that we (gentiles) who are Christs are Abrahams seed...
  7. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "You seem content believing that Hebrews 8 speaks of a new covenant solely with Israel" Why shouldn't I be? Thats who God said He would make it with. Until you can give me a satisfactory explanation how God could have made a new covenant with people (gentiles) whom He hadn't given an old...
  8. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "Joj, the people who today reside in the patch of land we call "Israel" have a much right to the name "Israel" as I have the right to claim I am Jesus Christ in the flesh. " Joj.......I disagree. Israel comes ONLY from those of Abrahams seed. The same guys God went into covenant relationship...
  9. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "Joj, You claim the old covenant was "nailed to the cross", but the writer of Hebrews , in the 60's AD, infallibly claims it had not yet vanished as of that time:" Paul tells us that the law was nailed to the cross with Christ, it isnt just me who claims it. Its a fact. It was after the...
  10. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    parousia....something for you to chew on while you think. In Jesus parables, He went on to explain them in detail. Other metaphores like Lion of the tribe of Judah and Lamb of God are simple to figure out. They dont require much imagination to figure them out either. Why would the lions...
  11. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "You say the promise to Israel (of a better covenant) has not been kept yet. I say it has. Hebrews 8 & 9 prove this. The Jewish/Mosaic law was passing away in the first century. In its place is the new, perfect covenant that Christ made with ALL mankind." "Hebrews 8:10: This is the covenant...
  12. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    Leave me alone till you come up with the list of who all those metaphors represent and where they are today please.
  13. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "Boy Joj, if this metphore were a snake, it would've bit ya!" If these truth were understood by you, it would really hit ya! Gods kingdom will be just as the prophets said. If you think this has to with men and peace, where is it happening today? Why is your gods kingdom in such turmoil and...
  14. J

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    "Excellent question that deserves another!" Good, lets see if you can answer it. "This is clearly contrasting the "Law" engraved in stone and delivered to Moses with the "law" engraved on the hearts." Sorry, but I see no cantrasting the law of Moses here. This is simply the new covenant...
  15. J

    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "Hey now....Futurists demand that Christ has not yet come as long as lions and lambs/deer are at odds with eachother. I'm merely providing evidence that this is already happening in some instances." Futurist demand much more than THAT unfulfilled prophesy. Evidence that something "is...
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    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    "In an odd but credible story by the BBC, an African lioness in Kenya has been adopting baby antelope (deer-like animal), and weening the newborn calves." Do you call this "odd" occurance fulfilled prophesy? That by this, Jeremiah's kingdom prophey of the anilamal kingdom tamed had been...
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    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    Where did they go? I wanted to know who the anti-christ was. I also wanted to know where the lions lay with the lambs and the carnivores are eating straw. Where kids can play on snake dens and where scorpions don't bite anymore. His.............Joj
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    Trinity is it possible ?

    "If Jesus is not fully fully God, then he's not God. He would have been partially God. But that would have ment more than one God." John 1:18. No man hath seen God at any time........Jesus hath declared Him. While I believe Jesus was God, He couldn't have been fully God, men saw Him...
  19. J

    Thou art Peter...

    Well I for another dont see Peter as the rock The scriptures are clear The rock was/is Christ. Believing Jesus was the Christ ( what God revealed to Peter) was a requirment to make it into the kingdom that Jesus said was at hand that was offered to and rejected by Israel when they crucified Him...