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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    Jesus died for all, but that doesn't guarantee that those He died for will take advantage of the wonderful gift. Does that mean that Jesus' gift was a waste? Nope, not if just ONE person benefitted. There's a saying in the church that "if I were the only person in the world, He would have still...
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    Both my kids married into Chruch of Christ familys

    I certainly hope that you don't consider me or the study I did to be a stumbling block. Quite the contrary, it is intended to be a tool toward helping people come to a deeper understanding of Christian truth. I agree that pride has a lot to do with why people don't readily admit when they're...
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    Both my kids married into Chruch of Christ familys

    I understand where you're coming from. I also respect your decision to be a part of the churches of Christ, but please allow me to make one additional point in response to your post. I'm sure you'd agree that we as people don't always rightly interpret/perceive Scripture. But, your post...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    God doesn't view me as vile. When He sees me, all He sees is the blood. Now, if that blood still makes me a sinner, then I guess I am. But, it's always been my contention (and that of the Word's-at least, of my interpretation of it) that Jesus' blood was powerful enough to liberate me from the...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    But, if Jesus' righteousness wasn't enough to permeate to the "practical" man, what good does the positional change do? God said that He was not interested in the "practical" man, the outward man, but in the heart.... The state of our heart is not a sinner, but has been declared righteous...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    The Bible says NOT to call what God has cleansed common. By calling yourself a sinner after God has declared you righteous is sin in itself. Previously, somebody said that: sinner=someone who commits a sin This isn't true. sinner=someone who hasn't been made righteous through Christ (saved)...
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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    You make it sound as if God's will is actually being done in the earth. Please, far far from that. It's not God's will that ANY should perish. It's not God's will that we have abortion, disease, poverty... But, since satan is called (by the Bible) the god of this world, it's his will that's...
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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    Hey ANDREW and ELAN!!!!!!!!! You wrote my name right.... Mellymell with two 'L's... Thanks! LOL You wouldn't believe how many posts have gotten it wrong. ROFL
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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    In that particular example, yes it's possible. But, for the purposes of this analogy, we know that no one can pay the price for sin except Jesus. My analogy was not meant to be a perfect parallel of the spiritual truth, but rather just an illustration to show the point. Well, that child...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    I'm just telling you what the Bible says. 2 Cor. 5:21 - "He made Him who knew no sin to become sin on our behalf, that we might be MADE the righteousness of God in Him." We have been MADE righteousness in Christ, not covered with righteousness only, but made righteousness because of...
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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    I agree that Christ died for all. Another Scripture that makes the point even clearer is 1John 2:2, saying "...and He Himself is the propitiation (satisfaction) for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." So, yes, I think that this debunks Limited Atonement...
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    Hebrews 6 and Salvation

    Well, when the Bible says "impossible", I think it means impossible... Not that God can't do it, but since He won't push His will on anyone, then He won't do it, so again it's impossible. But, the main point of our disagreement is that I think this is referring to apostates, but Eldermike (and...
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    Hebrews 6 and Salvation

    Again, knowing just anything doesn't imply enlightenment. Seeing the brethren and the love of God in them doesn't enlighten you. Only the Holy Spirit can do that... Also, coming into contact with believers doesn't make you a partaker of the Holy Spirit. If you examine the decriptions, I'm sure...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    I think Martin Luther had it quite wrong. We're not snow covered dung. If any man be in Christ, he is a NEW creature, not just a nice looking, but still filthy creature. Bible outweighs Luther. :bow: I never said that we don't still sin. Matter of fact, I said that I do. But, what I do...
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    Hebrews 6 and Salvation

    Hello. :wave: Okay, let's say that it's grace that he's speaking about being fallen from. It still doesn't explain how someone that isn't saved could be described as having been enlightened, one who was a partaker of the Holy Ghost, one who had tasted the heavenly gift and the powers of the...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    Hey all. :wave: I've been around. LOL. Was just letting a few people post before I responded. The Bible says that if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive AND to cleanse. If we're cleansed, then the stain is gone. Also, it says in 2 Cor. 5:21 - "For he hath made him...
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    Hebrews 6 and Salvation

    I must apologize because I in no way intended to cause you to believe that I was offended or defensive at all. I think that because of the way that I write (really straight-forward), and the fact that you can only read it without hearing it, or seeing my own disposition, it seems like I'm...
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    Are you still a sinner?

    I think that the whole point has been missed. People are still calling themselves sinners. You're either a sinner or a saint. You can't be both. You can be a saint who commits sins, but you can't be a saved sinner. You can be a saved person who WAS a sinner... But, we have been MADE the...
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    Hebrews 6 and Salvation

    Don't switch subjects on me. I'm very specific with what I refer to. I never said that a lack of faith causes one not to be forgiven by God. If you confess, God is faithful and just to forgive. I just take the Word at face value. So, don't distort my points. Eph. 2:8 - "For by grace are ye...
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    Universal or Limited Atonement or somewhere in between

    You said that God has elected some to salvation... but there's a difference to that idea than what you are professing. Election of God doesn't mean that He chose you above someone else... it means that He chose you because of YOUR willingness to heed His voice. Not true. None have believed...