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Where did the study suggest that depression is the root of dysphoria? Yes. The supportive situation alleviated the supposedly problematic depression. If the support alleviates the depression, then how can it be the root of the dysphoria when the dysphoria still exists? The pediatrician ties...

Again, it deals with the depression that this pediatrician linked to the subject herself. If depression is completely unrelated to the suicides she says she is concerned about, then why bring it up as the solution to the suicide rate?

As quoted earlier: Not just bullying either, but also "abuse, rape and hate crimes". Let's not minimize the social response.

Yes there are limits to what a parent should be able to decide, but you are again ignoring that there are medical professionals involved. Puberty blockers can also be removed at any time, which would return the child to cycle through puberty. Additionally, this study notes that of the...

She tied it to depression herself. And then she goes on to make an unsubstantiated link between depression and dysphoria, but whatever. Which is why I pulled it, because the point is about children and adolescents. After surgery, not after just transition. The Swedish study is about...

I'm not ignoring what they are saying. I'm pointing out what they are saying and what the author later repeated in her interview. I do appreciate you actually looking at the information, however, even if we disagree on the significance.

It didn't manifest at the significantly increased rate for the entire group. That's the point. She affirms that position in her interview I linked to.

I noted everything you quoted. Note this as well: The point being that the pediatrician in question starts with the assumption that twins are, and yes this is a direct quote: They don't have to be 100% different for her assumption to fall apart.

That might be arguable if parental consent wasn't a part of the situation, along with ongoing treatment with medical and mental health professionals. The adolescent is not making this decision in a vacuum. Given that the current recommendation is for cross-sex hormones to wait until age 16, we...

I acknowledge that the paragraph states that there is an increased mortality rate over 10 years, but you are still discounting that the paragraph, even where you emphasis it, states that it only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989. Given the study was published in 2011...

Additional emphasis mine. You missed the key part of the paragraph. Additionally, from the author: She also notes that she is frustrated with her study being misrepresented. The full interview is at the link. She also notes some further reasons why trans people might be suicidal that medical...

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Your entire response to this thread has been about me, rather than about what I post. That's why I stated that your posts are personal attacks, rather than say, attacks on the information. Not that you are insulting me in anyway. I also didn't "expect people to take my word" on anything. So...

That's why I linked to the work of actual professionals. Nobody is expected to take my word over that of anyone. I gave my sources. You want to ignore the facts, be my guest, but it's not going to make her correct on those points. However, ad hominem attacks against me are meaningless. Do you...

Challenging bad information is better for everyone. That's all I did here.

One further point on twin studies: She says, in her point 1 that "Identical twins contain 100 percent of the same DNA from conception and are exposed to the same prenatal hormones." Is that true? Well, according to a study from 2008 (that's roughly 9 years before her article), identical...

Yes, interesting that another person's opinion on the subject is being boosted who cannot properly read the Swedish study (see point 8). She completely ignores that the study itself says that those who transitioned after 1989 don't have the high suicide rate. It's literally in the language of...

I got this too.

Unless he's the author of the article, he didn't write that statement. He's merely sharing it.

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