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It's possible to hear something in your own language and still not understand it, and still need it to be explained (preached) to you. 1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because...

My impression is tongues is defined by some as being in the Spirit - "the proof", while you can pray in something unknown, and still not be in the Spirit.

If you want to follow Jesus Christ, he said so. Luke 12:11“Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12 For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”

This is pretty far off what most denominations believe by being in Spirit. It's getting a little late for me to talk about this more, so after this message I will beg off this conversation - I think you are in a vastly different time zone then me, but two things I'm sure I pray in the Spirit...

originally said Luke 12:11“Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.” This is utterance. What do you think...

"8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 in Judea we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?” The disciples were not fluid in their own...

All the time. Luke 12:11“Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”

fyi - the only thing I got out of this thread is a clearly understanding of how some believe 120 was in Acts 2. I also saw how some believed 12, but already saw it. I still don't believe it really says how many, so it doesn't clearly say is an answer too.

"We would like this forum to remain a safe place where Christian members from all denominations can discuss and learn more about the spiritual gifts." Just posting that from the faq so no one else becomes confused that this is a place for only two denominations. Please note - nothing I have...

I sincerely hope you report yourself. When you said "You can't just make stuff up and expect us to believe it. I think we are more intelligent than that." I didn't report you to anyone, and I reported you to your own conscience. You're still being stiff, a graceful person might perhaps say he...

I think my main point is, although the wicked often pretend to do miracles that are completely illusion, the devil is real, and can do what actually seem miraculous, and it is still a lie because it is not from God. I've seen a perfectly valid prophecy, not vague and not believable any other...

"8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews...

I was trying to make this up on the fly as an example of something that clearly isn;t what the bible says is a gift because it doesn't define healing that way, and started to think that is too realistic of an example, and couldn't think why. Now I remember, I did hear someone describe doing...

Yes, I didn't know that once either - and I think my version didn't italicize it - it might have been in computer print and left it out. I'm not saying it will in the end be that useful, but it might help clarify talking about it. I don't believe tongues is just a human language (although at...

Oh, did someone say I violated this rule. I do believe the graces (gifts) are valid today, and I'm not a cessionists. I agreed with the rules, but it is not clear what they mean, because people define "gifts" differently. Some believe they are a foreign language (I don't necessarily), and...

So if I go to a language school and learn german, it's tongues? Also, how does someone know if they didn't learn it some other way. Or, and here is a big one, is any of the languages spoken actually one they didn't already know. One language mentioned in Acts isn't miraculous. Judean - why...

Are you reading this as your understanding is fruitful in yourself - in which case understanding gives fruit to additional understanding just by itself - seems subjective. Or are you reading this as your understanding bears fruit in someone else, because he now understands? The surrounding...

This is a serious question. First, is the grace even biblical. If you claim to God by His grace answers your prayers on healing, and you call healing wacking a person on the head so their flesh can be sore so their spirit is healed, is this what the bible calls healing (and alas, an argument...

I wonder whether "grace" not gift is a better translation. Grace seems like it could be a translation of the greek, and grace is how I understand gifts to operate. By the grace God gives me.

How does this follow, if a man speaks in an unknown, Stygian language that no one there at that place understands, he is still speaking to God. Also, the cessationists vs (common) gifts camps have something like a false dichotomy between them, which tends to occur when two sides claim they are...