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No, you are playing with words. You can say they chose, but you have God causing them to choose. That is force, which I know you are fine with. It is not free will unless they originate their own choices.

I have refuted it; you just don't accept it. That's fine with me, but I will give one more attempt. "God’s will to “harden their hearts,” show them “no mercy” and “destroy them” would be consequent to their own evil deeds." "God hardens people by strengthening the resolve in their own...

Last comment - No, I do not believe that God gets mad at someone for what he decreed the person would do, for God's hardening is the result of the person hardening his own heart. God would be angry with the person for hardening his own heart - see post 281. Best wishes.

And I already answered it and you ignored it. That's ok. Best wishes.

The answer is in what I shared. You don't have to read it.

“Some people acknowledge only two categories here, either God never interferes with man’s free will (absolute freedom), or God makes man do everything he does (absolute predestination). But are these two extremes the only possibilities? Is it not possible that God follows a general rule of...

“Some people acknowledge only two categories here, either God never interferes with man’s free will (absolute freedom), or God makes man do everything he does (absolute predestination). But are these two extremes the only possibilities? Is it not possible that God follows a general rule of...

It is on point, it just doesn't fit in your box.

And I repeat - God gets angry at man for hardening his heart; he does not get angry at someone for what he himself causes. Pharaoh hardened his own heart; in response God turned him over to it.

God hardens hearts (turns them over to a reprobate mind) because they themselves have hardened their hearts toward him. In some cases, he uses this for a specific purpose but it is not something that God does because he chose in eternity past - I choose to harden your heart so you cannot be saved.

It is not a choice if God chose it for them. That is playing with words. Without the ability to choose, it is not choosing. I deny that the reason people choose to reject God is because God chose that for them. This is not the same as turning someone over to a reprobate mind, which can happen.

Though I know we disagree, I appreciate your "tone." I'll share some verses: “If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.” (Jeremiah 26:3) (If...they turn...I will...

And no, I did not vote for the government or the laws it enacts.

Anyone who trusts the government (any government) doesn't know history.

I can't think of a more terrifying scenario than only the military and State security personnel being armed. Yet it is the very thing that some politicians and Statists wish for.

What is the State? The State is that entity that rules by force and the threat of force against the individual. It is the monopolization of violence against the people in any given territory. Think about it: If a man takes money by force from someone and threatens to take his home from him if...

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black.....

Ummm....ok.

I do not deny that God hardens hearts at times. I do claim he does it sparingly and for specific purposes. I deny that he picks certain people and says: "I'm going to harden your heart because I am not choosing you for salvation."

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