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  1. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    False. Christ gave no such interpretation, as evidenced by your complete lack of evidence to support this claim. Never, ever did Jesus command people to read all of the Old Testament so that everything referenced Him, even though the context, author, and contemporary audiences would have never...
  2. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    How are they more authoritative on texts they didn't write than the authors who did write them? You're begging the question on this point with no biblical or intellectual basis, applying a method of interpretation that would never be applied in any other book of antiquity. Only when those...
  3. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    The apostles didn't write all of scripture, so no, we can't refer to them with authority on material they didn't write. Further still, you're left with a glaring void of passages where the apostles instructed everyone to interpret the Old Testament in such a way that everything refers to...
  4. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    Oh, really? Where did Christ command we Christologize the entire Old Testament? I'm sorry, but this approach to biblical interpretation smacks of naivety, supposing that a people understood the text through the filter of Christ before Christ was ever made known to them. When you read a book...
  5. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    Not necessarily. Again, as I wrote in my first post in this topic, chapter 2 presupposes chapter 1, so it would be really silly for the author to change up the order of creation unintentionally. The Hebrew word "formed" can be used to mean "had already formed" or "formed at this point in the...
  6. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    Although this method of "Christologizing" the Old Testament is popular among contemporary evangelicals, I don't think it's very scholarly. The audiences of the Old Testament books would have absolutely no concept of Christ thousands of years before His coming and would thus understand the texts...
  7. Jedi

    Doubts Growing about Holy Bible Here's Why

    I have not read some of the other replies, so if your questions have been satisfactorily answered, feel free to disregard this post. :) Chapter 2 is a sort of elaboration on what happened in Chapter 1. Chapter 1 is an overall story of creation and Chapter 2 gives us more details. The order...
  8. Jedi

    Look where pro-choice has left this poor woman

    As unfortunate as this may be, this is a poor argument against abortion in general. Do you honestly mean to say that if a procedure is suseptible to mistakes, it should be avoided? "Don't do this! Something might get screwed up and end in unwanted tragedy!"? If we're going to abide by this...
  9. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    I'm sorry to hear about your miscarriage. If you don't mind my asking, how far along were you when it happened? And just out of curiosity, how did the Lord show you these things?
  10. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    No, it begs the question by providing a synonym for "human being." You have completely and repeatedly failed to provide any defining quality that makes the subject "human" and warrants protection from termination. Without doing this, you have no case to condemn abortion as inherently bad. It...
  11. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    Unlikely, since I quoted you line-by-line. And like I explained, this definition is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Let me write this in bold so perhaps you can read it this time: what quality does a "homo sapien" possess that warrants its bearer protection from termination that...
  12. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    Granted, but this is perhaps the most abused verse by the pro-life camp for a very simple reason: God's forknowledge of someone does not, in any way, tell us when they came to be. You might as well say, "Before you were born, God knew you, therefor you were born in July!" The connection just...
  13. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    This answers nothing. What is a "homo sapien" and why does it warrant protection? You still have yet to list any quality that differentiates a "human being/person" from a skin cell; you have only listed synonyms or begged the question. According to whom? A dead body is also technically a...
  14. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    Define "human being," then. I highly suspect your definition of "human being" will be almost exactly what I described as "personhood." No point quibbling over semantics. If we were to restrict our arguments strictly to science, you should have no moral argumentation against abortion at all, as...
  15. Jedi

    abortion is uncontrollable?

    If I may, there's some terminology being thrown around here that might be confusing the matter. To start, the issue here is not whether or not the subject is "alive." After all, if "life" was a quality that inherently warranted its bearer protection, we should label ourselves all murderers...
  16. Jedi

    Abortion

    Okay then, let's see where. Which is exactly what I said the pro-life position was... You're just throwing around a bunch of vague pro-life phrases out there. By "human being" do you mean "person," possessing the traits I described in my previous post? If not, then how do you define "human...
  17. Jedi

    Abortion

    Just a bit of irony: accusing others of lacking “intelligence” and in the same breath misspelling the word is… interesting. The reason is that, contrary to the hardcore pro-life camp’s suggestion, humans don’t spring into existence fully formed all at once. There...
  18. Jedi

    Show me scripture that supports ABORTION.

    Are you saying that every person has always existed? That's a pretty bold assertion without any biblical or philosphical evidence to support it. Further still, didn't we agree earlier that God's foreknowledge of something does not necessitate its existence at that particular time? God's...
  19. Jedi

    Show me scripture that supports ABORTION.

    Heh, "on the contrary?" You just agreed with what I said - nothing "contrary" about it. :) Seriously, dude, go back and re-read what I wrote. At no point did I ever deny the idea that God knew Jeremiah before he was conceived... Jeremiah was a person after a certain point in time; he...
  20. Jedi

    Show me scripture that supports ABORTION.

    So... you say no to my assertion that God says He formed Jeremiah in the womb, but then quote scripture where God says "I formed you [Jeremiah] in the womb." So which is it? Did God form Jeremiah in the womb like the text says or should we stick with your rejection of the idea? If you don't...