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  1. cradleGO

    Ukraine Is Now 'Holy War,' Russian Church Declares

    Does Christ care whether or not Moscow leads the Belarus and Ukrainian Orthodox? That is what the hierarchy of Moscow Patriarchate must consider. Isn't that what a church leadership should ask? IOW is asserting control over the Ukrainian Orthodox worth - in Christ's eyes - the death and...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Your video has zygote in the title. It couldn't have any special significance if it doesn't pertain to the Incarnation. Who is being deceitful?
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Just sampled it - not viewing 3 + hours. This would only be impressive if this study shows physics we do not know yet. Bring that out. Is string theory solid or nah? What are the basics of the atoms? (I do not know advanced physics) Use your method and settle the open issues in advanced...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Yes it is silly that original sin is attached to human DNA. Get a billionaire to put money into finding it. Keep in mind that Orthodox Christians do not have the same concept of original sin as protestants and Catholics. Never heard tell that Watson and Crick got the nature of the DNA molecule...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Not true. Men have both a Y (male) and an X (female) chromosome. So, the Genesis story is entirely possible. It is biologically possible. My theory is that God works within the physical (and biological) rules he set for this dimension. It is not hocus-pocus - as some atheists might say - but...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    No. The Orthodox view of original sin 1. is not embedded in DNA (silly concept), but 2. is an expression of separation from God with the result that humanity suffers death. By being put out of Eden, mankind must suffer death. Jesus was fully man and fully God, so He wasn't separated from God...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    You missed the intent of my OP. I am certain that any Christian should say that Jesus' y-DNA is from the Holy Spirit if they think of it in terms that Jesus is fully man as well as fully God. I am suggesting given what we humans know about human DNA and given what is in our capabilities to do...
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    A glimpse at our Eastern & Western Christian Churches

    Only that they looked into it. I'm sure they didn't proceed any further once they were told the Mormon's view of the Virgin Mary. The main point is that the Orthodox see the Holy Spirit in this world. In response to The Liturgist's comment, I doubt there could ever be a dialogue with the...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    As I said, I am unaware if the Y-DNA haplotype has been identified or if it is was published. The mitochondrial DNA (His mother's) has been identified and published as I said above. Now, the mt-DNA is far more readily obtainable as it is in every cell. The y-DNA must be obtained from a Y...
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    Mary and the early Church

    And this opens the whole Tradition versus Scriptures. Tradition chose the Scriptures. There I said it. I don't know the basis for the question of Mary's role in the early Church. She is absolutely essential to THE CHURCH, but as for post- Resurrection/Pentecost, she was in a patriarchal society...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Look at the link I provided in a comment here. The DNA on the Shroud was extensively studied. (From memory), it supports handling by Indians (like the pollen, from the production of the flax), middle easterners (like pollen, from the making of the linen, and fashioning of the Shroud), some from...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Keep in mind that the Shroud is an RCC possession due to a theft from the Sack of Constantinople. So, from 1204. Before that it was an ancient artifact of the Christians, then possessed by a Edessa king, and from the 10th century it was possessed by Constantinople, which displayed it each...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    You are missing the point again. From my perspective it is wholly compatible to think that God created the universe and lives within its (His) rules at least in our realm. We know that the universe is very complex with elements of it - the physics - are fashioned, and were not formed by chance...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    You are very mistaken about the Shroud of Turin. Blood is everywhere, and no paint was found. The blood remains red - usually old blood is brown - due to a phenomena of the body under extreme physical stress (not the best way to say this). Has to do with the bilirubin, a blood component. Pollen...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    I would say it is a different perspective. Jesus was not created. Jesus was incarnate (He put on flesh) by the Holy Spirit per the Nicene Creed. Big difference. I think my post (and the other mentioned) is compatible with the Bible. I am not saying that my view is unique or a 'discovery'. I...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    Let's set aside the kingly line matter. We get to the same place, but not via the same route. Your question: Why do I assume that this supernatural event - Christ's birth - requires natural means for God to provide Jesus' male DNA? Firstly, God did not "create" Jesus of Nazareth - your verb...
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    Where is "go to heaven" in the Bible?

    Topic is beyond my paygrade, but I look at Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, heart of the earth, heavens, etc., as different physical dimensions. Some dimensions may have a "good side" and a "bad side". Some may have multiple components according to the characteristics of those dimensions. To go up or down...
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    DNA and Christ's Birth

    The descent through Solomon is a (rabbinic) Jewish view. The fundamental messianic requirement is descent from the root of Jesse, and from David (which fulfills Jesse). The topic is pretty involved. Jesus' genealogies were known then and there is no hesitation in the New Testament that Jesus...
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    Genesis and Physics

    When Stephen was stoned, he saw Christ. 55 "But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." Acts 7:55 Stephen was a Believer in the Triune God. When Stephen died, did he fall asleep yet saw God in heaven and...