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  1. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Hi Wolf, Sorry it has taken me so long to reply - started a new job and have been super busy as of late! I'm not really understanding your question... We, the human race, decide what is good and evil We, the human race, differentiate between right and wrong We, the human race, have created...
  2. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    If a saved person can be considered righteous by his/her works - what about an an unsaved person? Can the unsaved also be considered righteous by his/her works? And isn't THIS a biblical contradiction? James 2:24 tells us that one can be righteous by one's works, but Romans 3:10 makes clear...
  3. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Sounds good
  4. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    I believe it is perfectly reasonable for me to assert that faith is THE basis on which some of us receive eternal salvation and others of us receive eternal damnation I don't understand what you are saying - "arguing about my point for saying it is THE basis"? Yes, 'Equals' 'Entails'...
  5. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Perhaps I didn't explain my position as best I could... I do not believe that morality is universal in that every person agrees with every other person on every single thing that is to be considered good or evil Of course not! I do, however, believe that our shared standard of basic human...
  6. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    I don't recall ever stating that morality is 'quote/unquote' universal... The only claim that I recall having made is that the vast, overwhelming majority of human beings are in full agreement that to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others is immoral {that some take it...
  7. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm upon others is immoral Addendum: {Anything else is either moral or, at worst, morally neutral} I don't always include the addendum because I think it obvious... I don't see the problem? Of course different people in different...
  8. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    So what? Such as?
  9. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Can I go to Heaven even though I die without faith in Jesus Christ? Yes or no? Sure it is! Die without faith in Christ and you will receive eternal damnation is the exact same thing as saying: Dying without faith in Christ equals eternal damnation You're quibbling over half a dozen of one...
  10. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    You're splitting hairs It is a FACT, per Christian teaching, that those who die having genuinely repented of their transgressions against God and having removed trust from self to Christ will receive eternal salvation - regardless of their many sins And it is a FACT, per Christian teaching...
  11. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    No, popularity does NOT determine what is right Nor did I ever say that it did! What I said is this: 1. What is right is that which refrains from the conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm upon others 2. What is wrong is the conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm...
  12. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    God sends people to Hell for eternity for the 'crime' of dying without faith in Jesus Christ Not only is this unjust - this is evil Are you saying that God should not be held accountable for His unjust treatment of some because He treats certain others justly? It's YOUR logic - not mine...
  13. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    And I stand by my exact words! Like I said, most every human being is in full agreement as to what is ultimately beneficial / moral {i.e. refraining from the conscious and purposeful infliction of needless harm upon others} and what is ultimately detrimental / immoral {i.e. consciously and...
  14. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Are you suggesting that God is required to do unjust things to us, in this life, so that we can have a better one in the future? That's asinine God is not EVER required to cause harm in order to achieve a greater good! Ridiculous To claim that a so-called 'crime' against God is infinite...
  15. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Are you homosexual?
  16. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    The question, though, is this: Does one need the Holy Spirit / Jesus Christ / God to go to the gym?
  17. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Creating rattlesnakes, in and of itself, is not unjust Creating rattlesnakes knowing full well that you will then eternally burn and torture them for the 'crime' of being what you made them to be is what is unjust!
  18. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    If we ARE 'rattlesnakes' then it is by the Hand of God, Himself How is it that He remains good and just given that He bears full responsibility for the creation of rattlesnakes?
  19. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    Yes - morality is the differentiation of right from wrong, but the primary {if not only} factor that we utilize in determining that which is 'right' and that which is 'wrong' is one of beneficence vs. detrimentality as regarding humanity Certainly - this goes without saying... However, it...
  20. Treeplanter

    Motivation in Morality

    The problem with Christianity is that, in the estimation of the faith, every man is, himself, a 'rattlesnake'