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You're correct, the theme is as old as humanity, and the early Church fathers understood this: Eusebius, in his Church History, tells us that Justin (Martyr), in his Dialogue with Trypho, says "there exists not a people, civilized or semi-civilized, who have not offered up prayers in the...

It's also funny how people hope on a man who's name meant "YHWH is salvation" for their salvation. I don't quite understand that... "The Essenes in Qumran who copied this scroll approximately 100 BCE are not to be considered the protectors of an accurate text identical with the Tanach which...

All I can tell you off the top of my head is that I believe John to be completed last. As one can see, the transition from human Jew to cosmic Godman is essentially complete in that book. Honestly, I can't recall when or which of my books I read about the timeline in. Your question is valid...

I understand that one may argue based on more than just the bible, some of my friends just can't. The bible is all they know. And just for the record, I don't think that Creationism (or at least some form of it) is reliant on the Bible.

All Jews agree on this, huh? It's curious then why my Stone Edition Tanach's footnotes all deal with the passage referring to the nation of Israel. I suppose that next you'll tell me that the messiah was to serve as a blood sacrifice for sins and that all Jews agree with this as well. Isaiah...

It's not really weird when you consider that they believe a young Jewish woman was raped by the Holy Spirit to begin with. And I see now the focus has shifted from debate between Christians and rational minds to Christians and Muslims. Revealed religion at its best...take cover, a war could...

You are grasping at straws my friend. The quoted chapter of Isaiah is about Israel, not about a mystical Godman. Prophecy was not about predicting some futuristic occurance...it was about warning Israel to get its act together before it destroyed itself. Well Jesus wasn't born on December...

Your post suggests two things: A. Jesus' divinity has been proven, consequently removing any need for faith, thereby destroying your religion. or... B. Early Christian apologists were full of ***** - Eusebius, in his Church History, tells us that Justin [Martyr], in his Dialogue...

What are you talking about? The gospels have Jesus quoting a Psalm...what's your point? "Those who believed they were receiving and communicating God's will were not oracles, and we are not to suppose that what they foretold was bound to happen, or that a partial fulfillment must necessarily...

That is a false statement. Jesus was no threat to any Pharisee in Judea. Many of Jesus' teachings were harmonious with the school of Hillel and to a certain extent, the Essenes. The Pharisees was the most popular sect of Judaism; in touch with the people and supportive of many messianic...

I totally agree. This is one reason why my Christian friends won't debate with me about religion. I give their only source of "truth" no authority and therefore they have no ground to stand on in an argument. It's kind of useless...

Ok, so the caste system is a Hindu idea. That sucks. Oppression of any kind is unacceptable...I suppose I'll just have to chalk Hinduism up as another revealved religion designed as an opiate of the masses.

I don't know much about Hinduism, or the Hindu, but I would imagine they are genuine people who are seeking enlightenment. However, like all followers of revealed religion...they've been a little mislead. Also, is the caste system a Hindu or Indian characteristic? The caste system sucks.

Finally, someone else who understands historical context! Jesus' claims of messiahship were a direct threat to Roman soveriegnty. The messiah, after all, was to reestablish the Jewish monarchy and usher in a time of peace...that is unless one is of the opinion that Christianity understands the...

The "New Testament" is as anti-Semitic as they come.

Have you never read the Tanach??? Here's a single example (and my personal favorite): 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys...

Why would God make Its "word" so complicated for the common man to understand? Doesn't It want everyone to have the opportunity to understand Its "word?" Answer: The Bible is not the word of God. It's the word of man; and when it is looked at with unbiased eyes it takes a complicated...

yes. this is quite a drawn out discussion. The trinity is was one of Rome's many contributions to Christianity...amongst a host of other ideas and dogmas. Perhaps the "Blessed Trinity" is simply a compromise between the pagan elements and monotheistic elements in the Roman Empire? We all...

It's not only logically absurd; it's factually absurd. The trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is nothing new or unique to Christianity. It's a concept that was practiced by pagans for centuries before anyone in Rome ever dreamed of some Jew named Jesus. If Jesus had actually believed...

you did not address any part of my post except my statement that god is no sadist...interesting. anyway, the above situation is not ok...but eternal torment and hellfire is not a just response. christians claim that god is just and that god is love...reconcile that with torture and you win. i'm...