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  1. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    If the Christian God really exists, I can accept the idea that the Bible isn't meant to be a scientific textbook and, as you say, more about how people relate to each other and to God. However where the Bible does give specific details about our origins, I would expect these to be consistent...
  2. Brother Billy

    If you could remove one evil from the world

    If you don't believe that God exists, how can you believe that he can help you? How can not believing anything be evil? Belief/unbelief is not something that one can consciously control - you either believe something or you dont
  3. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    Before I respond, can you clarify something: What do you mean "more homogenous" and "more schizophrenic"? How do you interpret: - "when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” - "By the sweat of your brow, you will eat your food, until you...
  4. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    From my earlier posts: The point I want to make is that the Bible is not the perfect moral guide that you would expect from an omni-benevolent god. You just have to remove the bad parts I referred to above to see that.
  5. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    I've listened to many Christians explain their (non-literal) interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2, but I've yet to hear something which makes sense to me. Lets just take the story of Adam and Eve and The Fall. I'm assuming that you accept evolution as fact. If not, then the ignore this post. What...
  6. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    There are many factors which shaped the morals of modern western society, and I agree that it has been heavily influenced by Judaeo-Christian teachings. However the Bible contains both good and evil teachings, and it is morally inconsistent. People have used the Bible to justify both good and...
  7. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    Is God not omnipotent? If he can change one Pharoah's heart, surely he could have changed the hearts of all slaveowners? Failing that, he could have made it clear in the Bible that he disapproves and that we should stop it. Instead of that he tells the Hebrews that they can engage in slavery as...
  8. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    I agree that peoples attitudes change over time and that what people find acceptable in one culture, might be consider abhorrent in another culture (e.g. gladiator fights in ancient Rome, foot-binding in ancient China). The same is true for slavery. Most of the ancient world saw nothing wrong...
  9. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    I love "concise and to the point"! :clap: If slaves were acquired during war as described in Deuteronomy 20:10-18 for punishment, it seems unjust that God would judge a whole nation by the actions of a group of individuals within that nation, even if that group constitutes the majority of the...
  10. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    What are your comments to what I wrote in #336? You keep saying that God meant to abolish slavery at some point. When exactly was this point? You also assert that the rules that regulated slavery became more restrictive over time. Even at their most restrictive, they weren't much different to...
  11. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    I disagree that underpaying someone is equivalent to slavery. Slavery is owning another person as property. Do you think there was any difference between slavery in the Bible and slavery in the America between the 17th-19th centuries? Before you answer, please read: Yes, Biblical Slavery Was...
  12. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    From your response it seems that you're essentially saying God considers slavery a sin, but he allowed it anyway and slavery wasn't as bad in ancient times because people considered it normal back then? If something is deeply immoral today, surely it would be just as immoral in ancient times...
  13. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    That's an extremely vague definition. You're essentially defining slavery as anything that is against God? Under this definition, the practices described in Leviticus 25:44-46 and Deuteronomy 20:10-18 aren't slavery because they were explicitly condoned by God? Am I correct in understanding you?
  14. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    Please answer it the way you feel is best. What is your definition of slavery?
  15. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    I agree with you that we should focus on one point at a time. Lets start by agreeing on a definition of slavery. My definition of a slave is a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. What is yours?
  16. Brother Billy

    Why do some Christians claim that the Bible is pro-life, when it is clearly not?

    I agree it was a bit ambiguous, so I deleted that sentence.
  17. Brother Billy

    Why do some Christians claim that the Bible is pro-life, when it is clearly not?

    By "keeping" I meant recording all the laws that God had revealed to them. I didn't mean obeying the laws
  18. Brother Billy

    Why do some Christians claim that the Bible is pro-life, when it is clearly not?

    If you didn't dodge it, then give me a simple yes or no answer? The argument you stated above in syllogistic form is a valid deductive argument since the conclusion necessarily follows from the premises. There is nothing fallacious about it. You might not agree with the premises, but that is a...
  19. Brother Billy

    Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

    That law is telling Hebrews to allow slaves who have escaped their foreign masters in foreign lands to settle in one of their (Hebrew) towns. It doesn't apply to Hebrew slaveowners or their slaves. "let them live among you" implies they came from foreign lands. Even if it did apply to all...