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+1 This is proving to be a real bottle-neck for me as a lay person without the gift of understanding prophecy. I came to this forum seeking clarification and to hear all sides (except pre-trib, sorry!), but instead I feel more confused and bewildered than ever.

Got it. We agree here and this was more semantics as I considered 'being in the sky/clouds' as leaving the earth, though technically not so as you suggest. Thanks for your detailed reply in regard to the sequence of events.

The bolded statements appear to be contradictory. Is there a previous post of yours that summarizes your position/interpretation of major events and a timeline that will take place during the final period? Or perhaps a Youtube video you can point me to? (I use 'final period' for lack of a...

Is rapture/harpazo/parousia to the clouds or sky to meet Jesus invalid as well? The verse you quote here does not nullify a pre-God's wrath rapture/harpazo/parousia imo. Will born again Christians remain on the earth for the entire 7 year period?

Endless Bible verse quotes and walls of text in various font colors, sizes, bold, italics, etc detract from the cogency of arguments and make for unbearable reading. Sometimes less is more ;)

The fact that corrupt mainstream churches, books (eg. LaHaye), etc preach persecution/martyrdom escapism in the form of pre-tribulation rapture leads me to believe the opposite is true. Satan has some nasty tricks up his sleeve and Christians who think they're immune to his devices/deceptions...

+1 'Mystery, Babylon' is Jerusalem without question in my opinion as the Bible explains itself ("Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: not one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate" Isa 34). The reference to Jerusalem/Israel as 'spiritually Sodom and Egypt' could be the fact...