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  1. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Jason, It is true all men think is futile. Jesus said that it is they (the scriptures) which testify of Him. God has revealed the Truth to us through His Word, the Holy Bible. Some read it without the Holy Spirit so they can't comprehend it. So since they can't comprehend it by the...
  2. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Amazing post brother. Precisely :))
  3. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Brother Ron, We cannot ignore the parts or the words that we don't like, we have to look INTO the verses, not just jump over them. Here is John 15:1-6 1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in Me (true born again believers) that beareth not fruit he taketh away...
  4. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Brother Ron, Yes it is talking about the second coming. But Is this a summary you are giving? Why don't we go through this verse by verse? This parable not only talks about being ready for the second coming, but there is a distinction between the 5 foolish virgins and the 5 wise ones. So...
  5. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hey brother Jason, You made me smile with that picture. lol. I used to like that character. We agree on everything brother. Don't worry for me about Catholicism. I don't think I am going to argue with them here. I also never really argue anymore I just discuss and reason. Love you brother we...
  6. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello brother :) Thank you very much for these kind and encouraging words. I need to hear some sometimes :) My brother, I couldn't have summarized better what you just said here. The whole issue of OSAS not only is unbiblical but also goes against common sense. As soon as I heard about the...
  7. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hi again Ron, There is a hole in the logic you are using, Again, whether believers or unbelievers, the fact that one can resist the Holy Spirit means that the Holy Spirit is resistible. If we say that an unbeliever can not come to the Lord Jesus unless the Father draws them, then there be...
  8. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Ron, I know what you are implying by putting quotation marks around free will but my brother there would be no reason for Stephen to call them stiff-necked people if it is God who predestined them to destruction. We can't have it both ways. Either we are responsible or we are not. If it...
  9. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Romans 7 is one of the least understood chapter in the WHOLE New Testament. Romans 6,7 and 8 are ALL one big block. verse and chapter numbers have been added after the 10th century. Therefore you have to read these 3 chapters together. Romans 7 is not after but BEFORE salvation under the Law...
  10. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello brother Ron, again let's not start throwing verses left and right. Everybody can do that. The issue is not whether a believer can or cannot resist the Spirit. It is whether anyone (believer or unbeliever) can, in fact, resist the Holy Spirit. If man has no part whatsoever in his own...
  11. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    No I am not living in the fear of losing salvation because I constantly walk with Christ and in the Spirit everyday. The Spirit gives peace and hope. The old man is dead that is how I know that I am in the Spirit, I have no desire to sin. And yes we are a new creature. But there is also a...
  12. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Ron, This here is a classic example of pushing things on scriptures. When we believe in a doctrine that doctrine becomes fix in our minds, then when we look at scriptures we push things on them things they don't say. This is what happened for John 10:28 and Romans 8:39 and all the verses...
  13. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hi Ron, I don't know why you are mentioning this. Forgiveness of sins is by the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus on the cross. It is by putting our faith in Him and in His sacrifice that we are forgiven. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. He describes sinners as sick needing a doctor. He ate...
  14. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Theophan and nice to meet you brother. :) When it comes to church, the word has been used even before Jesus came. This word was used to say an assembly of people working toward something or of one accord about something if you like. The Lord Jesus used this word two times, one to mean...
  15. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello brother MDC, If once we are saved we are always saved, then that means yes keeping repentance will become optional whether we believe it or not. This is what the doctrine OSAS has a danger of doing because if that expression exists it is because man wants to use it. If salvation is...
  16. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    My brother, Eternal life is in the Son. We have to continue in the Son. We abide in the Son by faith. But yes the will is engaged, we can resist the Holy Spirit after we are saved. Your confusion comes from indoctrination, this indoctrination comes from the false idea that eternal life means...
  17. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Works is not basis for justification. It is what is called true faith, a Faith that is not dead. You obviously never really took time to read the epistle of James with an open mind. These are not our works these are the works of God that He prepared for us before the world began that we should...
  18. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hello Ron and nice to meet you, I know all the scriptures for and against this doctrine. The simple question is this: When we are saved and justified, are we always saved? Or can we lose our salvation because of going back to a lifestyle of sin or deliberately sinning? You see how in the...
  19. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    Hi brother, We can repeat the same thing over and over. If it is not based on the scriptures, it is all man made. The thread is in the scriptures section for a reason. I asked questions in last post. Where are the answers? We have to dig deep into the scriptures brother, they are there for a...
  20. Asaph George

    ALL Scriptures For and Against Once Saved Always Saved

    :) Hey Exinanition, My brother it is refreshing for me to discuss with someone such as yourself. Thank you for all these kind words! I have nothing but love for anyone proclaiming the name of Christ out loud. I believe we can be united in the Spirit even if we are not on the same page for some...