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    Faith in science vs. faith in religion.

    I think you are conflating two different reasons. Scientists (good ones at least) do not sweep mistakes under the rug. The entire purpose of the scientific method is to continually refine human knowledge. If a scientist fails at something then it's an opportunity to learn something. However in...
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    Faith in science vs. faith in religion.

    Is this thread open to anyone?
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Hey guys, i am going to start another thread that is more appropriate for what i want to debate. Consider this thread dead. Keep an eye out for my posts though, i really enjoy duking it out with you guys. :)
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I'm aware of that now. But by the time i was aware of how this thread works i was already 4 pages in. lol. And i didn't realize the rules were so stringent, so i just clicked any debate forum because i have never used this site before. This is my first thread. Had i known it matters WHERE a...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Perhaps i put this in the wrong forum. If it is expected that i will give a proposition, you will give a proposition, i will respond, you will respond, then we will have a cross examination. That's not what i mean when i say i want a debate. So perhaps that is my fault for not understanding the...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Which part specifically in quantum mechanics is evidence for a god? Our understanding of science is always changing. That's how we learn. If i think that 2+2=5 and then i later find out it actually equals 4, it's not math that is shifting, it's my understanding of math. And i am not being...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    This in't a thread that debates semantics. It's a thread to debate the existence of god. I'll give you one more chance to offer a position we can debate respectfully.
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Can you not throw belligerant assertions around. It's not productive. Did you want to debate the existence of god?
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I don't think you can prove or disprove god. I do however beleive that i can demonstrate that it is not rational or reasonable to believe in a god with the assumption that you care if what you believe is true. When i posted this i was looking to debate the existence of a god. If you want to...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I read back, the only thing i saw about luke was when you said "Thinking about it one particular topic I would be interested in is the dating of the book of Luke, reason being I haven’t found a reason for dating it later than around 60BC that I didn’t think was based in some dubious assumptions...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Firstly, i have read the bible twice all the way through and have done bible studies for 3 years with friends and even my brother who is a minister. Please stop assuming that because i don't agree with you that i must not understand. Incorrect. If someone says the bible is the word of god, you...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I don't need to engage with it, it's fallacious. Engaging with fallacies get you nowhere as they are a lapse in logic and reason. That's why when someone uses a fallacy i point it out immediately so they can correct it. You're correct, if you ask me why i believe "X" and i say i read it in...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I have read your comment several times and i don't really know what you are asking. Yeah, the argument stating that you use circular reasoning when you use the bible to prove the bible. That's using the premise to prove the conclusion which is a flaw in logic and considered a fallacy. It...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    You said it's not that vague, yeah but you still conceed that it's vague. In my other posts i just made, everything in the bible is contingent upon it being the word of god. You have to prove that it is the word of god and you cannot use the bible to prove that, so pointing to the bible to prove...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Sure thing. Imagine i wrote a book claiming i was god. Me: I am god You: How do you know you're god? Me: Because it's writen in this book. You: How do you know the book is true? Me: Because it was written by me, god. You: But how do you know you're god? Me: Because it's written in this book...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    Whether you accept my reason isn't really relevant. My reason i don't believe is because i have not been presented with enough evidence to warrant a belief. I'm not looking at a mountain of evidence and saying "there's no evidence that god is real" there isn't evidence at all, and that's why i...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    But regardless of if i gave a reason or not, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If i told you i could turn invisible, would you just believe me or would i have to prove the claim that i can turn invisible?
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I don't think you read my entire comment. I specifically gave a reason.
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    No i don't see that, the language this was translated from has word for church and for heaven. He literally just said church and kingdom of heaven seperately and made no clarification that they were interchangeable. You are adding that interpretation yourself. If he said " And I will give unto...
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    Looking for a formal debate with a theist.

    I see what you mean about laws of science. I was going with the theme of religion and assumed you meant science in the bible. I apologize for misrepresenting you. What universal laws or laws of physics prove that a god must be real?