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I don't know if you realize what you are saying here? By denying that Jesus actually derived His human nature from Mary, is what the early Church had to combat with the early heretics: "To docetic thinkers the divinity of Christ presented no difficulties. It was the humanity (with its close...

I don't see how God-Man can be "crude" in any way, as it states the Bible Truth on the Person of Jesus Christ, Who while on earth was not only God, or only Man, but both 100% God and 100% Man, apart from any sin in His human nature

thanks, I know of this passage. "Lucifer" in the Hebrew is "helel", and means no more than "shinning one", and not actually a name!

Maybe it is me, but I have never seen any connection between this passage in Ezekiel, and the fall of the devil! I think this guy Eby is a fake.

That is exactly why it is impossible to accept that the Incarnation could start any time after "conception"

I don't get by what you mean "if true"? Jesus Christ was when conceived in the womb of Mary, both fully God and fully Man, hence, God-Man, which is indeed taught in the Bible. You speak of mythology, well the same can be said for the "Virgin Birth", which is found in many myths. We as Christians...

Actually both "theotokos" and "christotokos" are wrong, as the right term would be, ""Theanthropos" (the God-Man), as Jesus Christ is 100% God and 100% Man from the time of His conception in Mary!

maybe they are afraid to be seen as being unbiblical!

So what difference do you see here? "conception" is referring to the actual time that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary by His power, at what time the eternal God the Son "entered" her womb (human language is very limited!). When we say "birth" this usually means after the child has been...

Well if you want to quote the Bible, then it is best that you keep your theology also Biblical. The correct language would be "Theanthropos" (the God-Man), as the term "theotokos" is not Biblically correct. Jesus was born from Mary as both 100% God and 100% Man, neither just Man, or just God...

As I said, the Greek of the verse says just that. In Matthew 1:16 we have it, "Ἰωσὴφ τὸν ἄνδρα Μαρίας, ἐξ ἧς ἐγεννήθη Ἰησοῦς ὁ λεγόμενος χριστός", "Joseph the husband of Mary, out of whom was born Jesus Who is called Christ". The words in bold are firstly the Greek preposition, "ἐξ", which...

anyway, its good night from Old England!

When did I say that Jesus Christ was not God before He was born? I criticize the term, not because you use it, but anyone who uses it as though it or what it teaches is what the Bible says. It is "man's theology" and has nothing to do with Bible Truth. None of the arguments that I have seen here...

It is very easy to find "Scriptures" for ones beliefs, but they don't always agree with what you may say! Take off your "catholic" lens and read that the Holy Bible actually says, and you will see the error!

Adam was created by Almighty God. Jesus Christ was not as He IS Almighty God from eternity. He part-took of "human nature" from that of Mary at the time His was conceived in the womb of Mary. Both Matthew 1:16 and Luke 1:35 chow very clearly in the Greek text, that Jesus Christ was born "out of"...

And exactly where in the Holy Bible did you get this from? "God was in Mary's womb for nine months. Mary gave birth to God after those nine months". So Mary must be before "God" if she gave birth to Him? You are trying to use Roman Catholic "theology" to understand what the Bible says about the...

And what has this to do with this present topic?

I have said all I will on this here. You are still wrong to press this.

No, this is "church theology" and does not reflect the teachings of the Holy Bible. Mary did not contribute to the "divine nature" of Jesus Christ, but only the "human nature". Just because Mary bore Jesus the God-Man in her womb for 9 months, does not allow for this unbiblical term to be...

Its not as simple as you make out! Jesus Christ is the eternal God, as are the Father and Holy Spirit. At His Incarnation (conception in Mary's womb) Jesus Christ "took on" the complete "nature" of a human, without any sin. He is 100% God and 100% Man. Only His "humanity" was derived from Mary...