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Romans 2:4 (KJV) 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Acts 18:10 (KJV) 10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. Romans...

I'm not concerned with cults and their opinions, that being said the reason it is important to have God's complete truth the KJV is the trinity: 1 John 5:7-8 (KJV) "7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there...

Anyone that goes through being dunked in water believes this contributes to their salvation. So now we don't have true grace. Soften your heart and look objectionably at what you have been taught.

Romans 10:9 (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 1 Peter 3:21 (KJV) 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of...

On the contrary the time is at hand to put on our big boy pants and stop perverting the truth of God's Word. Water baptism was over at Pentecost. It's simply not grace because it constitutes a work for salvation. Everyone who does it thinks it saves them.

Wrong. If God hadn't sought out Adam and Eve in the garden after they sinned and were naked they would still be hiding. Romans 9:17-21 (KJV) 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be...

Sorry but there is no basis for water baptism. How many times do I have to point you guys back to John the Baptist? Also Peter. Did you not read the verse?

Wow you don't agree with anything?

No Dr I am just an Alpha Christian in a very perilous time we live in. No time for heretical doctrine. I've had it with the churches today and no I don't know it all but came here to provoke thought and learning, sharing in God's Word so that I can learn something new too. I really appreciate...

Yes to those who are chosen by God indeed.

So you disagree with my points or the inconsistency of the posters? Or both?

Alright if I say there is no way I am going to get water baptized. If I die as a believer in Christ or anyone else, what happens to me?

Great points. Also beware of the Wescott and Hort Greek in which the NIV, NAS, ESV sprang from.

Here's a good read. There is no Biblical Defense for Paid Pastors/Elders - The Life of Lew Ayotte

Come-on now. Not all pastors are saved. Take a step back and let the Spirit of God teach you. What bible are you using?

No.

Read those versus. Water baptism is null and void by the Holy Spirit baptism on the day of Pentecost. The thought of it is ignorance and has nothing to do with Grace but rather constitutes a work that is pick and and chosen by false teachers. Did you even listen to John the Baptists words?? Read...

What makes you think honor means a salary? It says that about elders too. A good read and I agree. There is no Biblical Defense for Paid Pastors/Elders - The Life of Lew Ayotte

They are just a person no greater or worse than anyone else.

I for one talk to pastors like they're one of the guys instead of looking at them as greater that I. They're not and we get a long great. A lot of those duties are shared BY US! Just like all of this back and forth with everyone. Where's my money?? :)