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Y'all need to learn what poetic language is. I can't wait until all them beasts show up as well.

Well when the stars fall to earth let me know then if you think its literal.

Isn’t parousia70 a full preterist? and what camp is BABerean2 in?

but lucifer is not in the original greek nor is an English word. i get what your saying though. But I dont see how you get satan when its talking about a kings burial.

Strong’s Definitions G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake. Physical departure is referenced 15 times in the bible as the word aphistemi. and If you search 355 other uses of the apostasia in ancient documents none of them mean a physical departure...

JGR i would like to hear more about your belief. And Dave watchman, I actually am leaning towards Amil. It says after the second coming the earth and its elements will burn up. I don't see how there is a 1000 year gap in them versers. But still Im new at different ideas.

so is morning star a name? any adjective can be a name then?

So if they left lucifer in in 2nd Peter would you tell me it's another name for Jesus? If you look at the Bible in Latin you'll see the connection and why modern translation don't have Lucifer in Isaiah.

No that doesn't fit at all in the same line of thinking, Lucifer was never a name, Is not a name, In 2nd peter in latin it describes jesus as lucifer (morning star) because lucifer is an adjective not a name. The KJV translators left that word in there because they were not sure how to translate...

after reading a lot of your posts, I think you present the eschatology well. The Protestant/catholic thing well thats another topic, I don't think I would like to get into with you. Seems argumentative to say to say the least sometimes. But I would have a grown up discussion about it sometime LOL

That could be a very far range of beliefs since that church is split so heavily.. But at least its on the protestant side.

This is talking about the king of Babylon, and how he wanted to be a God, and that most kings have proper royal burials, and God is making sure this king does not have anything after death. If satan was cast out of heaven in this, how did he keep going back later? Lucifer is not a name! Its a...

What denomation?

Lucifer is not a name but a word In 2 Peter 1:19, the KJV renders the Greek word φωσφόρος (phosphoros) as ‘day star.’ Again, the Latin Vulgate has lucifer here: et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat...

Idealism simplified, is to take the bible and prophecy to each persons times, until the very end. So as the first century churches read it ( It was symbolically written to the destruction of Jerusalem and Rome, and then Every generation that reads it has its own Antichrist, The middle ages with...

I know there is a few catholics with this latter view, But New to hearing about each different camp, I want to see who can help me, that shares the protestant faith hopefully, because I don't want a catholic/protestant debate, as reading though the old posts, it seems when they always just...

Peter is referring to the spirt coming at pentecost, nothing more nothing less. The sun darkening and moon turning to blood is symbolic of a "great day" a turning point, A day of the lord. Its referred to many times during a fall of an empire, or a turning event. Its not about the end of the world.

That was pretty clear actually, Thank you.

I really don't understand that at all...... All I'm asking if the day of the Lord Is the end of the world and no one is longer alive..., why would they be confused about it already happening.

I don't see how can you make something in that verse that isn't there, such as a rapture in that chapter. If the rapture is so important then the bible would mention it more, then just some very vague words. The main concern about everything is the second coming. Im just trying to figure out, if...