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  1. Sapiens

    Horrible, Intrusive Thoughts...

    Firstly, giving these thoughts attention is what feeds the problem. Forget the stuff about where it comes from (you or Satan). That's irrelevant. We all know you don't mean them and God most of all. You need to understand these thoughts have zero value. Giving them credit is your problem...
  2. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    You're not listening to me. If God exists, then there is a purpose. That purpose is to know God. Only then can we be fulfilled as a human being. But since you seem to be too wise to allow God to know better. I will not insist. We were made to love him, but we don't have to. Let's keep the...
  3. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    I disagree wholeheartedly. Life is valuable in and of itself.
  4. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Exactly. It can't know it. It will just run a program.
  5. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    He knows exactly what it's like yes. He knows what it feels like to be human in every way. That is what I think. I don't think it's just propositional knowledge, even if that too. He is utterly disgusted I am sure by the evil we do, and he says in the Bible that is why we cannot even be in his...
  6. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Hmm. I think it's you who's misunderstanding the idea. I'm not sure I can add anything more, because I will repeat myself. But you're dead wrong my friend. Your meaning is illusory, so is that of others, on your view. But ignorance is bliss. You went back into the matrix, just like Cypher...
  7. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    I don't want to start another thread on this, but would you mind naming some of those reasons? I'm curious.
  8. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    P1 & P2. You are contradicting yourself. It can or will be better? You can't make tomorrow better any more than the past, on determinism. You can only hope. Free will means we are the cause, not that we have received 0 influenced. Coming back to morality, how do you know your moral intuition...
  9. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Reality is the object, our mind the subject, and truth the action that unites both in harmony. The calling is from God, that's the point of the argument.
  10. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Why should you doubt them? Well, it's the default position. It's a self evident truth. You may see it, but not recognize it. Honestly, everything screams design!
  11. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Welcome back! "Our everyday commonsense intuition is often wrong. Math, science, and logic tell us this." Do you have a reason to believe it is wrong? A reason more obvious and compelling than the intuition itself? And science, math and logic work on the basic intuition that there is a...
  12. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    P1. Well, that works well with the hypothesis of design as well... We were meant to live and strive a certain way. Atomic comprehension wasn't necessarily the point. Explanatory power won't do. P2. I agree with that then. P3. I do think it's because commanded it. But like you say, he also...
  13. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    What's funny is that you do that. Isn't that what your pragmatism is all about? Care only for what matters to you, ignore the rest. That's very selective. You must care a bit about the idea of God though, given your presence on this forum.
  14. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Truth being subjective (as in relative and unfixed) is a contradiction in terms. I will never espouse that.
  15. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    I have repeated myself because what you were saying was in no way defeating my and Plantinga's assertions. I haven't seen you defend the idea it's more probably the case our faculties at discerning truth are reliable than not. Saying they favor survival is unwarranted. You can't know that. If...
  16. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    P1. That we consider Christian theism or naturalism, my point still stands. According to the bible, I shall love my neighbor as myself. The reason for me to do that is that God, the source of all goodness and supreme judge over morality, commanded it to me. He imbued in us his image and his love...
  17. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Hey everyone! I'd like us to put an end to this thread in the near future. If you have some final thoughts or objections, it would be nice to do it now. I might offer a counteresponse (if new objections) to it, and see what happens, but if we just repeat ourselves I will stop the thread. The...
  18. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    P1. All truths have implications yes. Not all truths are "fun" though (to our advantage), as you seemed to suggest in your previous posts. We don't have causal power on truth based on our likings. You can know your life has no objective worth or purpose. If you reject God and embrace naturalism...
  19. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Sorry! Here:
  20. Sapiens

    Argument from truth

    Lol for Buddhism :p