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I wonder if memes would solve this problem. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm not even a little bit convinced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Paul also said no one loves god and no one is good. You didn't answer my question. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That sounds like doctrine. Is there scripture to back it up? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I like it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm fairly certain that's the only kind of death they talk about in the bible.

He's a big one they teach in college. In this case it means it comes with knowledge.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Revelation is part of mystical experience. They call it noesis.

Mystical experiences often do that.

And... Mystical experience is a means of knowledge. Also, his book was mostly observations, which makes it hardly out of date.

lol I don't think mystics use use things like that. I'm not sure what category that would fall in. Witchcraft maybe.

What's the most important definition? I don't recognize the picture.

Yes, nobody meets God face to face and lives. Remember how Paul says he died and was resurrected with Christ? That is the death. He also talks about "face to face" in Corinthians. Or if you like, they meet Metatron or Michael.

Yeah, but you're not meeting and speaking with Him face to face. You and I are talking indirectly via the internet. It's much different that talking directly, looking at one another. Mystics don't usually commune with God via eucharist, churches, traditions, etc. Non-mystics visit God at His...

Yeah, indirect experience I think refers to most institutional religious experiences. Eucharist, etc.

That doesn't seem to be what my sources are indicating.

It's been so long I can't remember anymore. Dictionary might be one.

I'm sorry. We're just going to have to disagree.

Good! But mind-altering is shamanism not mysticism. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk