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  1. Chriliman

    Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

    Multiple individual stalls with fully closing doors is the actual answer.
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    Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

    Exactly, why not do away with male and female restrooms all together?
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    Teen's Interaction With Transgender Woman in YMCA Locker Room Sparks Heated Debate

    Does it really make sense to separate restrooms based on just 2 different biologies, while ignoring other biological facts? By your logic we should all share a bathroom regardless of biology and just mind our own business, but why don’t we do that? Hint: because it makes people uncomfortable.
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Yes, but if those facts are different then the moral decision can be justified to be different. I’m not arguing that hiding from the law is objectively wrong, it’s more nuanced than that. I’m arguing that if you’re innocent and the law honestly wants to prove that then you have no need to...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    But again, it’s important to know what your neighbor actually did(objectively) in order to be certain(not just opinion) about the right thing to do. If they're innocent/wrongly accused and the police are honestly trying to figure that out(which would all be objective circumstances), then they...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    But it depends on the motive of the lie, and my point is any sound mind would want to know what the motive is to determine if it was actually wrong or not. I get that’s your opinion, I’m just continuing to see reasons why it’s maybe not fully thought out. Ah, but it’s not true that feeling...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    The logical standard that I stated. If all involved agree it’s good based on the facts then it’s actually good. If there’s someone in the mix who thinks it’s bad, let them try to provide the info to back that up. In the end, facts and sound logic/reasoning should convince those of sound mind...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Right, but so can the existence of good and bad in the experiences of people. This recent demonstration about QM may make you question that assumption. Interesting stuff Science | AAAS Maybe, maybe not given the QM info. Sorry, it really has me thinking… Right, and for good reason yea...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Did you misspeak here? You meant objective? Actually, you can’t prove the tree is there unless there’s someone around to experience the proof, otherwise it’s an assumption. But I agree, we assume it’s there when we’re not looking, QT be dammed! Actually, again, we assume math exists when we’re...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Being robbed is only good for one party involved. If it’s good for one, but bad for the other then it can’t really be good. It’s only really good if all involved think it’s good. Logic wins!
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Okay, but I would say there is no good and bad apart from beings capable of experiencing it. You can observe beings experiencing good and bad regardless of how you feel. How else would you prefer goodness and badness be demonstrated to you?
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Can you describe how good/right/true and bad/wrong/false is real to anyone? Or even just goodness and badness?
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Yea, it’s nuanced because it depends if they meant to look at them the wrong way in order to upset them, if that’s the case, then yes, it was wrong and objectively so. If not, then time to teach the child to try not to get upset or blame full by small, unintentional actions. But again, it’s...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    I agree there’s no objective morality apart from any moral agent capable of experiencing moral feelings in a rational way, but when you have multiple moral agents with rational minds all reacting the same way to an objective fact, you then have objective morality in that circumstance. Maybe all...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    How so? If you feel wronged when stolen from, why can’t we extend that feeling to others, objectively speaking, and acknowledge they can feel that way too? IOW, their feeling of being wronged does not depend on your subjectivity, therefore it’s objective to you. How does this not compute...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    You have to know what it feels like to get stolen from or to have something you lost returned to you. Its objective because you can acknowledge others(objective to you) can have those same feelings as you.
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    So it can’t exist? I acknowledge you’ve stated your opinion, but I’m sorry I can’t accept it as fact.
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    If you don’t think you can use the facts(real facts) you believe to justify your moral conclusions then you don’t have any moral ground to stand on.
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    If the consensus is based on the facts then what ground does anyone have to argue against that? None, right? Of course if you change the objective facts then the objective moral conclusion may change, but that doesn’t make it any less objective, does it? I think I’ve discuss this with you...
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    Modern secular morality and it's inability to be authoritative

    Cool! I mean, I still think there’s an argument that can be made to frame it in a sense of right/wrong and good/bad. It’d be something like the right/good way is the way that can be shown to benefit others and yourself and vise versa, the wrong/bad way is the way that can’t show that. It only...