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    Satan and demons ...

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    Paganism or other Gods

    Hey Rae, do you still want to talk about this by email? I can talk here if you'd like. God bless!
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    Presumptuous Creationists

    Creationism is thought so poorly of that any scientific journal would be put to shame by publishing it. That's probably why you don't see any proofs in Scientific America. But regarding the other points, why not let people question these scientific practices? If it is the truth, then this...
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    Evidence proved evolution is just a theory

    Nihilism, I think. (not really comes from evolution, but uses evolution as justification for teachings ... I think so)
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    Creationism... I guess its true!! ::sigh::

    Zadok, I'm sorry man but did you even do any research on what you posted? If so, what was it? If not, post the verses and your rationale for believeing that THIS is what it said. By this I mean I want the verses stated completely, a Historical basis for what was going on in the nation...
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    Trinity (3/1 or 3/3) look at the verses

    Well, here's what I think. There is the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit as one). John 4:24 "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." - God and the Spirit are one. John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." - Jesus and God are one. Thus, if God is Spirit...
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    Evolution Poll

    I think he's talking about the Theory of Evolution, not change mac.
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    Morals and God

    Maybe I wasn't clear enough ... It isn't "God exists because objecitve morals exist because God exists." Objective morals exist, and I say that everyone in the world can know that to be true regardless of their society. You asked how objective morals got there, and I said that they were...
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    Morals and God

    I still don't see a strong case of how objective morals can be here without God, failing that, on how objective do not exist. I don't think man would make a standard that man can never live up to. Exactly my point! As soon as they are "placed" somewhere - that is, someone formulated...
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    Morals and God

    Corey: Well, let's start with: Cogito ergo sum. I know that I exist. From that bedrock, I assume that other humans around share this same experience. Since I want to live as I wish, I assume others wish to do so as well. Therefore, any infractions by me onto others that interrupt how they wish...
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    Morals and God

    But I don't understand how objective morals could be there unless placed there.
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    Morals and God

    Freodin, I agree with your definition of objective and subjective morals. I do think atheists have morals. They've objective; even the unbeliever can feel what is right and wrong deep down inside.
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    Morals and God

    quote: Originally posted by VeraciousMaven If we are evolving, then the morals are changing. They arn't objective are they? If what is moral is what is in the best interests of the species, then morality is inherently objective. That didn't make any sense ... these morals are still...
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    Morals and God

    Jester: From VM: <<<Nothing you have said has done anything but back my claim up. >>>> You are supposed to be backing up your own claim. Can you do that? Will you? I already backed up my claims. See my second post. I don't see how objective morals can exist apart from God. If...
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    Morals and God

    Dave: OK. I agree that morals exist. Objective. Dave: And that is just an assumption. You have no evidence to suggest this must be the case. Nothing you have said has done anything but back my claim up. Dave: Certain needs in any biological system are universal. Killing...
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    Morals and God

    I'm arguing that moral objectivity exists. And because it cannot exist unless God exists ... then God does in fact exist. You are using evolution as a argument of how morals developed, but all that really does is grant the first point. Now my question to you is this, how can evolved morals be...
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    Morals and God

    Dave, Basically you are granting the first point. But if you do so, you must disprove the second. Saying that morals evolved and are subjective only moves you to the other point, and that is that you have to prove that morals are indeed subjective. But to quickly answer your question, I...
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    Morals and God

    Who says that everyone is moral? Who says I thought I always had my morals? But can you say that killing and raping 6 year old girls is ultimately wrong? Even if everyone around you, everyone in the world is perfectly fine with this evil act, is it wrong? [edit: Also, just wait until...
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    Morals and God

    Objective morals cannot exist unless God exists: Through purley evolution and sociological means of creation morality is completely subjective and created by the culture. There is no reason for people to have any solid morals. People have morals because of cultural norms and things that...
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    Morals and God

    I said this in a different thread and I realized that it could probably be an entire thread on its own. So here goes. 1. Objective morals cannot exist unless God exists. 2. Objective morals do exist. Conclusion: God exists. All you need to do is disprove one to the two to debunk...