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    then?

    Yeah, there's something wrong with my (Ref's) account so I'm using my other one right now.  Gabriel is helping me to try and get the problem fixed. I'll be back on as my regular account soon I hope.  LOL!  Man I'm addicted to this MB!! :D God bless, Don
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    How to obtain Sanctification!!!

    So, I take it you don't see "believing, trusting, relying, and walking in" the sanctification of the Lord something we do?  'Cause you say that we should cut out the middle man/woman and then you contradict that by saying you do have to do something, i.e., believe...
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    the resurrection

    The reason Jesus had to die was because God's righteous Law required that that penalty for sins be paid.  God said, "the wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23).  However, the propitiation had to be a worthy sacrifice that would appease God's wrath.  The only worthy sacrifice for...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    Uhh...no...according to you His death gave you the "chance to be saved."  It didn't actually save you. According to you, had you not made that decision would you be saved?  Of course not.  Therefore, as I said, His death didn't actually save you.  You had to do...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    I hope you can clear up my confusion here.  First you say that all Jesus' death on the cross did was create the opportunity for you to be saved.  Christ dying on the Cross gave you the "chance of being saved" but His action did not actually make your salvation a...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    I didn't say it wasn't a special thing to be chosen.  It, God's love, is the most special thing we could ever experience.  There is nothing like God's love.  What I said was there was nothing special, about the individual, that God used as the basis for choosing to save that...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    To understand what it means to be God's elect you must understand that those that believe they are God's elect acknowledge that there is nothing "more special" about them that was the basis for God choosing them.  The elect were fallen, totally depraved human beings who, just like the...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing,         And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; Romans 3:12 There is none who does good, no, not one. Romans 9:15,16 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    I personally believe that all people (except Jesus) have sinned and therefore fallen short of the glory of God.  However, you might want to avoid using the term "all Christians" when discussing these types of theological issues.  Some Christians...
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    U/C Unconditional election vs. Conditional election

    As I'm not a Greek scholar I have to ask if any of you know if, in the original Greek, the word "all," as it is used in this case, is a separate use of the word or if it is a conjunctive article when used with men?  While God does not sovereignly will every human being...