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  1. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    The official doctrine regarding her assumption does not tell us, one way or the other, that she did or did not die. Roman Catholics can, technically, believe either. Personally, I believe that she did fall asleep and die. After all, the wages (read as 'consequences') of sin is death. I do...
  2. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Your reference to "sinful nature of Man", in the CC, comes from an Augustinian understanding of "original sin". The CC believes that at the moment of Mary's conception, when "sinful nature" would normally 'contaminate' a human being, Christ intervened and saved her from what was about to...
  3. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Does "all" include Jesus? He was 100% human. (I'm not actually suggesting this, I'm trying to show that your interpretation is flawed)
  4. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    How so? Did not Mary serve as God's faithful servant? Did she not serve at the Temple? Did she not say yes to becoming the Mother of God? Or is it just that to become a transgressor or not is a choice we make? Just because those who do not choose transgression are rare... does that mean we...
  5. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Agreed. But on to the real issue - specifically original sin. The Roman Church is clearly heavily influenced by Augustine. Of my own admitting, one "constant" in the seminaries I attended was that both Roman Catholic and Evangelicals used Augustine as the starting point for an understanding...
  6. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    You mean like Enoch who lived such a righteous, sinless life that he was assumed straight into Heaven?
  7. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    An observation: *Orthodoxy has one understanding of original sin, human nature, what it means to be "fallen" and what it means to be saved. *Roman Catholicism has another understanding of these things. *Protestantism has yet another understanding (and, if you consider the Free Will vs...
  8. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    So, when applied to our understanding of the Blessed Mother - Mary, like all of us, inherited "no guilt". However, Mary, like all of us, inherited the consequences of the Fall. Thus, speaking of the need for Mary to be 'purified' from 'original guilt' is, at best, redundant - at worst...
  9. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Please say more about this. I've studied from Roman Catholics, Evangelicals and Mainline Protestants - but not from Orthodoxy. I've heard that a lot of theological differences really stem from what one does with Augustine's theology. Please help me to understand...
  10. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    The doctrine of the "Immaculate Conception" is made necessary if one follows Augustine's conceptualization of "original sin". If one were to understand sin differently, the "Immaculate Conception" would be unnecessary. If one retains an Augustinian view of "original sin" without the...
  11. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Note to self: have my morning tea before responding to posts at CF!
  12. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Clarification: the New Testament was canonized at Carthage, which is what my post referenced. Your post, here, references the canonization of the Old Testament. The Greek Septuagint was produced by Jamnia and was quoted from by Jesus and the Apostles. The Greek Septuagint and said quotes...
  13. FaeryChild

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    God's nature IS goodness. God is Love. God is God and will be who God will be. God decided to do things a certain way, God revealed Himself according to His choosing. It is not up to us to have a say in that, one way or the other. We were not there when He created the world. His ways are...
  14. FaeryChild

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    From "good" to "evil"... No. God cannot be evil.
  15. FaeryChild

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    Well, God could have done a lot of things. We could all be martians on Pluto. We could have wings and be flying all over the cosmos. If God can become incarnate in the first place, God could have been a woman. God "could have" done virtually anything one can imagine - except commit evil...
  16. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    The Catholic Church began: according to Catholic traditionalists, with St. Peter in the 1st Century according to those with a more critical view, when King Constantine issued the Edict of Milan and "took over" the Church, 313-325 AD The canon dates back to the Council of Carthage, 419 AD. That...
  17. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Ok, these are good points for getting this thread back on track. 1. A slight correction: the earliest prayer form we have currently discovered dates back to around 250. This means it was written down around this time. However, people then did not read/write the way we do. The fact that it...
  18. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    How can she be called blessed if no one ever blesses her?
  19. FaeryChild

    A Controversial Review of the Immaculate

    Yes, there are real and serious disagreements between the West and the East. What is interesting is the agreement that has persevered over the centuries: faith in the Real Presence, usage of 7 Sacraments, veneration of the Most Holy Mother of God, to name a few of the most important...