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It would be so nice if someone could stand up and point to a wonderful perfect existence/society led by a religious movement. Reality is they can't and everytime we look at a society run by a religious movement, we see the opposite of a perfect existence/society. Not that atheist can claim a...

Because your replies, were guiding it in that direction. You win we mentioned god, before you did. You win. Now tell us your idea of a perfect existence/society.

A more perfect society would be where we have freedom to believe whatever we choose, joined with religions providing proof they're not an organisation to make money. Today's secular societies are closer to perfect than any religious based one. So no religion has the basis to claim they can do...

And Christians use it as defence against any criticism of their belief, rather than real evidence.

Anyone can claim to have spiritual knowledge, it might be a dream or god speaking someone. The test is in the proof the message can be verified as truth. Mormonism is based on Joseph Smith's messages from god. Which one of them has been proven right? If not, it's Smith having a dream or...

All male dogs mount other males it's a domination thing. Unless he's actually performing sodomy. LOL

Do you evidence for this? Very early on in our evolution of walking upright, we could take to the trees. We were intelligent enough to make sure there was somewhere we could climb. If your scenario were right, there would be no tribes in Africa at all. They hunt in small groups. Can you...

Many of the stories come from the stone age, and yes they have to be in the bible. Once those are established to be fiction, along with others. Why believe in a fiction book on the off chance it might be right and not created to control people. Which is very easy to prove.

The cause/reason for the initial spark of life is what's missing, the rest even with gaps and mistakes holds fast.

No one is denying Jesus had a big impact. Was it the one he wanted, he was here to save the Jews? Paul and Peter, plus others had a bigger impact. This debate isn't about impact, it's what is spiritual knowledge. As somneone who learnt how the world was created without reading, tell us how...

So god speaks to poster0. Because he knows without reading.

Like the holocaust?

The Jesus he knows, is from what he's read. This is best illustrated by observing teenage girls, who think stars are what they're told.

Again using modern context to fit a different time. The OT never had original documents. The NT was compiled taking the documents they favoured and destroying the rest. The Church had the authority to have a person executed for disagreeing with it's words. It was the partner of Kings and...

Show proof it's all wrong. Show proof the bible creation story is right. You will find one far more easy to disprove then the other.

Your posts shows you're judging 1,000 BC to 300 AD. As you would judge the 18th Century. Same mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_the_Evangelist There's some dispute between churches. Would help if we had the original. Like we have the original Constitution.

When we discuss scriptures and their protection. We're starting from a point of biased men writing biased stories to contrlo communities. The OT is an excellent example of how this was done. It bases the origin of Man on a mythical story that has no validity. It goes on and makes mistakes...

Of course it was based on reason. Humans sit down all the times and base laws on reasons. The laws of love are like that. It's just not the laws of fairness or gods because as you say they were based on people reasoning. Those laws about keeping slaves, making wives second class, making...

Based n reasoning yes, human reasoning of those in charge.

Does that include laws about slaves, women, gays, other religions, etc. I can find laws to the contrary.