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That's not a small correction. ;) Thank you for pointing it out.

That sure seems to be it. Thank you very much. I think this is how it breaks down: Wolff: Take away the desire of sensuality icxn: turn desire away from me. Let not the belly's appetite and sexual intercourse seize me NABRE: remove evil desire from my heart. Let neither gluttony nor lust...

That's a bummer. What gives you that level of confidence? The webpage is making the point that that clause of the Lord's Prayer was prefigured in the Apocrypha.

Take away the desire of sensuality; to the spirit of licentiousness do not deliver me. Found at BibleHub. The only citation given is that it's from the "Apocrypha," which usually refers in these sorts of contexts to the Septuagint books that didn't make it into the Jewish/Protestant canon...

I did no such thing. Period. And I think you're doing your position a disservice by assuming bad faith from me. I came here asking questions, and when I didn't hear a satisfactory answer I kept asking. What would you rather I do? You've said, more or less, that you'd rather I "read and...

I don't know what I said that was so offensive, nor (after rereading multiple times) do I see the answers to my questions. Ah well. Either I'm a moron for you to so vociferously state that the fact that I fail to comprehend shows I must be "trying to twist your intent," or you haven't been...

Are you saying there is no agreement between Lutherans and Presbyterians on the nature of solus christus? The whole point of the statement is to reaffirm the essence of the Gospel, because "the gospel has been distorted" in the church because "we have been influenced by the 'gospels' of our...

Certainly. And I think the writers of the Declaration expressed their appreciation of that. So my question is, how would you modify this statement in light of that: Would you simply remove the second part, so that it reads, "We deny that the gospel is preached if Christ's substitutionary...

Your post seems cryptic to me. It doesn't offend because I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate please?

The Cambridge Declaration, a modern recapitulation of the Five Solas, was signed by many pastors of reformed stock. There was also limited Lutheran representation, but they had some concerns, specifically with this part of the statement: We reaffirm that our salvation is accomplished by the...

1. If you don't know the arguments of false teachers, you can't warn others against them as effectively. 2. If you don't understand what deluded people believe, you can't bring them back to the truth as easily. 3. If you don't know what a group is teaching, you can easily mischaracterize their...

Because debate is healthy?

It doesn't seem to be the conclusion of Alexandriaisburning, however. Do you feel he's advocating a unique strand of the doctrine?

Hence the thread title, "According to open theism," and the fact that I've been arguing against it the entire thread.

Jesus says we are not to hate. Sometimes I hear believers say things like, "I don't hate him, but I really really dislike him." Generally I think that's just a dodge. So how do we know if we hate someone? Here are some diagnostic questions I came up with: 1. Would you be happy to see them...

I probably should have been more up-front about the fact that I have done little reading and have little knowledge of open theism. The summary statements at the beginning of the thread were based on the conversations I've mentioned and on my readings of the Wikipedia pages on open theism and...

The part about self-constraint was a paraphrase from a member of her congregation that I had afterward. What I most remember him saying was that under open theism "God is still sovereign." But I think he'd affirm that because God has constrained himself from acting he "doesn't always get what he...

If by "passages" you mean Bible verses, I don't think they're anywhere. That was my summary of open theism. If you're unfamiliar, look it up.

That's what any standard theodicy would posit, I think. But one thing that aroused these questions in me is hearing an open theist pastor say that for many years she parroted the standard theodicies while finding no real comfort in the face of tragedies like genocide, until she came to the...

Perhaps this is the rub. I thought that the whole open theism theodicy rested on the idea that God doesn't know and does not intend to allow the evil that happens. If God's enemies do what God 1) did not foresee, 2) did not intend to happen, and 3) did not prevent from happening, then isn't it...