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B Griffin, If I might take up a discussion with you concerning the OP? I would agree that there is no righteousness by law and I agree with the OP with one possible question. My concern is your last statement. When you say "So let's just agree now to no longer intermingle righteousness...

Of course, I agree with all this.

B Griffin said: You are not implying, are you, that the new covenant will be made at some point in the future and that explicitly only the house of Israel and Judah will participate in it? I do not want to speak for B Griffin, so I will not be addressing Guojings responce, but the above...

I symbolically claim the promises each and every month during communion. I assume you do not participate in Communion if those promises are for Israel? Concerning the future tense.... You confuse me here. It is painfully obvious that the verb συντελεσω is future tense, but you shockingly seem...

To B Griffin: It interests me if Guojing has communion in his Church and if he participates? If he does, do you think he believes himself to be Israel?

The New Covenant was explicitly made with Israel in Jeremiah 31. Are you saying that it never applies to anyone other than Israel? PS edit-> (this post was made before I read the post by B Griffin and I approve of what he wrote).

mondlight and Avniel, It is obvious that we have two different political philosophies in your statements. Mindlight sees isolation as a problem and favors using our military as power projection to keep the current global order. Evniel sees withdrawl and isolation as a wise policy. My own...

While I certainly agree that it would be heresy to think one can become righteous through the law, I think more can be said. I would go so far as to agree that sanctification by law is a false teaching. Let me repeat, neither justification, nor sanctification is by law. On the other hand, I...

No wonder you fail to read Calvinism correctly, and why you cannot read the scriptures in context, you failed to read the illustration in context. The point being made in my quote was an illustration of your view that all men begin do not return to the innocence of Adam without sin nature, or...

Your suggestion that you quoted John Calvin's words about the issue of "will" is not true. I added your quote of John Calvin above in red. He says nothing about "will" in your quote. Again, you misrepresent Calvinism and refuse to admit it. The makes for any possible conversation on the...

I am going to admit that I read only part of the post above. It looks like your thinking is that if you quote lots of verses, then it justifies your misrepresentation of Reformed soteriology. Somehow, you feel justified in misrepresenting Reformed theology. You really think such an approach...

JM, thanks for this. I once began readying Luther's work. It is hard to get past the shock of some of his insults for Roman Catholic theology when I read Luther. I should complete reading this work. Hmm, the word "should," does that obligate me?

This is an assertion without any evidence--> I already believe in personal choice. JMac already stated we have a choice when he said "we have the free will to persue." The issue is by no means choice, the issue is original sin, or total depravity. Again, it is surprising that a Reformed...

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Please excuse this next statement, but the low level of understanding of what Calvinists say is quite disappointing. It is very rare to meet a non-Calvinists who properly represents Calvinism. Above, the presupposition is that Calvinists are saying that man does not make a choice and thus has...

I am going to have to reject all this. I do not see how Paul could remotely possibly be speaking of Judas in 2 Thes 2:8. In that verse (vs 8) Paul says that the "lawless one will be revealed." The term "apokalupthetai" is future passive. This revelation of the lawless one takes place after...

You lost me here. If I understand you, are you saying that Judas was the "lawless one" and marks the beginning of the end? If that is the case, again, your not reading the passage as a unit, or whole. In 2 Thessalonians 2:8 the lawless one is revealed by the 2nd coming, right? Are you saying...

Righterzpen, it is a good observation that the verb (enesteken---enistemis) is in the perfect tense. However, I am not sure if I can agree with they way you are reading it. In verse 3, Paul writes "let no one deceive you..." The idea being that the day of the Lord has not come. So then...

Rghterzpen, that certainly took you some time to type all that and think through it. Thanks for the response. I will try to match your effort. The question relates to bringing two passages together which have a seeming contradiction. I certainly believe in sola scriptura, biblical innerrancy...

I am a small student of greek. I was curious about what you say above. You might need to explain more. I looked up the passage in Matthew 2:1, Acts 2:8 and several other similar contexts. All the words went back to the same root of ginomai. I am not sure I am making any serious point here...