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Norah63, I think Tigger45's definition is the one most commonly accepted. Certainly so in the highly LDS Southern Idaho region that I grew up in.

Tertullian's refutation of Praxeas;

I made that (or a similar) argument at some length in Member Service Center during the last UDD kerfuffle to no avail.

This is, sadly, all too familiar. So many of the people whom I have admired and respected in the time that I've spent here have gone the same route. You will be missed RT. But I can certainly understand your reasoning.

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Sorry that the facts don't fit your fantasy.

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Among the codex' of the Dead Sea Scrolls there were found fragments of more than 40 copies of the Book of Enoch. Enoch was widely known before the New Testament was even written. Anto9us is quite right.

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