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where will they spend eternity?? this question come up in discussion with lds members of the forum but I don't think it was ever really answered.

Ignoring scripture is never a good idea, again that is why I prefer to avoid denominations as they force principals, sometimes non biblical principals on to scripture. ,like having to marry in the mormon temple. I believe the bible is complete and correct so if two scriptures appear to...

i still would like to know where someone who rejects smith as a prophet ends up, in the heaven kinda stakes??

we have no need to tear anything out of the bible, we have no reason to add to the scriptures, we do not need to add temple marriages, plural marriages and all the lds doctrines. we know the thief could not go to heaven as Jesus had not yet made that possible we do know the thief despite his...

love it.

for the point of this debate paradise does not matter, make another thread as it is a huge subject. the thief clearly did what John 3 16 says he believed on Jesus and the result was Jesus saying you will be with me today in paradise, he must have been moved by the spirit to recognise his...

where the thief went is irrelevant to what i said , the fact is he gained by realising and confessing who Jesus was, he did nothing good with his life, had no time to forgive, become a little child, do good works, get baptised or marry in a mormon temple but Jesus took his words as enough. he...

God is just that is for sure, he is a righteous judge, so he must be righteous and he must judge, so if someone insists on the path to destruction God must allow them to follow that path , as he gives them freedom of choice but ultimately judge them for the decisions they made, I'm sure that...

Amen, I agree completely.

the bible says you have passed from death to life. we aren't saved yet because we are not dead yet but we are already seated in heavenly places our salvation is secure.

ask that to Jesus when he spoke to the thief on the cross?? Romans10 vs 9 King James Bible That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Amen.

we are converted when we accept Jesus as our Saviour, it say in romans we move from death in to life, can we go back to death if we have been reborn , so to speak. it's as simple as this you say the word says we must become as little children, i think we agree this does not mean literally...

I know how your pieces fit, you believe Jesus atones for the sin of adam and the individual has to atone for their own sins.

you are believing on Jesus as your Saviour, it is showing faith, it's not like you are doing a great action to make yourself worthy of Salvation because by yourself you will never be worthy..

there is joy in spreading the good news, sharing your faith, helping others find their faith but you have to do that because you realise so much has be done for you, if you are doing it because you think you are earning your salvation then I think your motives are wrong. If we rest in the...

yes it actually does because the second you add anything to Grace it is no longer Grace, it is not undeserved. attributing Grace to the work of the devil does diminish the covenant of Grace , you could actually argue he is committing the unpardonable sin by claiming something clearly of God...

you are very brave posting this in here, you will get many and varied answers, i would suggest you find your own way of understanding the bible as most in here will confuse your path rather than help clarify it.

oops i meant where do you end up if you do not accept jo smith was a prophet of God?

so what is the correct answer where would someone who cannot and will not believe smith was profit end up??