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    How to get through to Conservatives?

    Well that's really the crux of the issue isn't it? They can't imagine anyone having Christian motivations for doing it, because they believe it's a grave sin and violation of Christian doctrine to support gays. Thus they only believe the motivations are based in liberalism, secularism...
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    How to get through to Conservatives?

    I posted it in this forum since discussion of homosexuality is allowed here. If it's moved, this discussion will be closed, so no I want it to stay here.
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    Is an actively gay person who believes in Jesus saved?

    Actually he mentions it multiple times in the Gospels, including the Sermon on the Mount. “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 19 Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not...
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    Why is homosexuality the one subject that may be too hot to handle?

    And gays don't like being called abominations and perversions, but that doesn't stop anti-gay Christians from calling them that. The problem that you guys aren't understanding is that not everyone considers your interpretation of the anti-gay verses as valid. They weren't written in English...
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    Clinton, Biden Speak at ‘Gay Gala,’ Push for Federal Law to Protect Homosexuality

    Ah yes, ChristianNews. Such an unbiased news source... Do you have a problem with other humans not being treated badly?
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    It's about time! Louisiana School Board Rejects ACLU’s Demands .....

    You do know the ACLU has defended Christians more than pretty much any group right? https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression
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    resolution filed in Tennessee to avoid Gods Judgement on gay marriage

    Interesting how people butcher that story to attack gays.
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    resolution filed in Tennessee to avoid Gods Judgement on gay marriage

    Jesus was addressing divorce among a heterosexual audience. Why would he feel the need to mention a concept that back then was largely unknown? Jesus doesn't mention intersex people either. Who are they allowed to marry? That verse on marriage is not mutually exclusive. Absence of evidence...
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    Why is homosexuality the one subject that may be too hot to handle?

    Hmm, an ultra conservative in the Messianic forum declared me and my views Satanic for disagreeing with his view of gays, and believing Jesus said gays are born that way. Meanwhile, he rejects the Trinity. Another guy is pretty much yelling at me for my beliefs. Why does this topic bring out...
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    Liberal Messianics

    But involvement in a religious community doesn't make someone a good person or their beliefs accurate.
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    Liberal Messianics

    Why does Synagogue attendance constitute being religious? Maybe they worship or practice in other ways. I have a co-worker who is a devout Christian, and even follows the Sabbath (he spends it devoting the entire period to Bible study and things directed towards God), and he doesn't attend...
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    Liberal Messianics

    No, I don't know any others, but then I don't know many other Jews at all outside my family. Since Jews for Jesus was created by Southern Baptists as a means to bring Jews to Christianity, I think that's why it's so evangelically dominated in America. Not sure about Messianics in Israel. It...
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    Liberal Messianics

    Well, that's your personal opinion of who is and who isn't a Jew. If they claim to be religious, they're religious. We can't go by anything else. I'm sure you consider most American Catholics to be secular too. I consider myself to be religious, but I no longer attend services, because I...
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    Liberal Messianics

    But only a minority of American Jews are atheist/secular. Good for him. Jesus said those Jewish religious leaders who exalt the letter of the law above the spirit of the law are hypocrites and vipers.
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    Liberal Messianics

    Yeah, and? That includes Conservative Jews, most whom I'm sure attend services. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/ According to polls in 2013, about 20% of Jews consider themselves secular. So even if every secular Jew supported SSM, that...
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    Liberal Messianics

    What do you consider relevant? Do you only consider Orthodox Jews legitimate? They're a minority. Every other form of Judaism performs same-sex marriages.
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    Liberal Messianics

    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/311026/us-jews-among-biggest-backers-of-same-sex-marriage-data-show/ Some 77 percent of American Jews expressed support for same-sex marriage, according to data gathered in 2014 by the Public Religion Research Institute. Some 47 percent of American Jews...
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    Liberal Messianics

    Well, considering how many Jews support it, even many Orthodox Jews, many will be synagogue regulars. This article from an Orthodox Rabbi: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.666064 I have always believed that the test of community is not how it reaches out to the most powerful, but to the most...
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    Liberal Messianics

    Well, at least 70% of Jews support SSM and LGBT rights, so they aren't like Muslims.