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I totally agree with PreacherBob. I think there's a way to discuss the issue, without coming right out and asking what is a very embarrassing and potentially disturbing question. She may think you are rude, or forward, or crazy, or whatever. Then again, she may be glad you are wanting to...

Sky, see the portion you wrote that I underlined? Well, you wrote, "I REALLY WISH GOD does forgive me....." Look: WISHING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! God is Holy. Yes, He is. He's unchanging. He's perfect, and His plan for saving us from OUR sin was perfect, too, and was laid out long...

My ideas sort of run in line with parsley's. Maybe find another couple from your current church that you can socialize with outside of church? If your wife and/or kids felt more "connected" to a few people in your church, then they might enjoy being there more. Is this possible to arrange...

That's what I thought. So a lot of her insecurity has to do with her age! Sky, listen, darling. If you have ever had a pet, you know how much you LOVED that pet. You would NEVER intentionally do something BAD to that pet who loved you unconditionally and would follow you WHERE EVER you...

Sky, How old are you, if I may ask? Have you ever had a pet?

Sorry, double post.

departed, Sorry you are having to deal with this. But it all has a logical progression, and she is following it TO THE LETTER! (Please go back to the website I recommended in the first post, and you will see that). So, now: How to deal with this current situation: Who knows about this...

Uh, sorry, did not get back to let folks know how it went....actually it all went fine! I've moved on to other, ridiculously inane tasks of which I feel totally inadequate! I guess I was just a little frazzled and worried about how it was going to go....this was the first time I had been...

If you are indeed 26-27, then you should have outgrown this "drama" in your life. It's time to be grown up, be responsible for your own friends, fun and faith. I suspect you find a wrong-doing in just about every encounter with other people....that's what I'm saying.

ChurchGirl, Your "handle" includes the numbers "87" I am going to go out on a limb here, and HOPE that doesn't stand for the year you were born.... Because if it does, that makes you 26-27 years old. That is waaay too old to be constantly feeling like everybody (including your mother) does...

Yes, several of their friends in the church have had contact. Called or visited at their homes. Some were very open, some were openly defiant. Some have even approached people in public stores shouting and threatening them! In some instances, it has gotten nastier than anything I have...

Thanks, Odetta! I think you're onto something.

Exactly! But the quote in red seems quite harsh, does it not?

Yes, Valley Gal, I see your point! "Gentle restoration."

I am using NIV translation. Thanks so much for your detailed answer. It helps a lot! "An open door" - but life continues - without them present for now!

Thanks for your encouraging comments, Bob. Unfortunately, it didn't really answer my question! Our church has most definitely experienced a renewed Spirit of God since this has happened. However, there is still a sadness because of those who left in such an ugly manner....some leaving in...

Thanks for all your comments. I see wasn't very clear, so let me try to clarify some items. Matt. 18, all steps were taken. The Pastor talked to these folks individually and privately. Then spoke to them with another (I forget one or two) person(s) present, yes. All that to no avail...

Thanks for your reply. Let me clarify a little bit. Here's a reference I found: Matt. 18:15-17 (NIV) 15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two...

Hello, friends! Let me try to put this problem into a small summary: We have recently experienced a church split. The officers of the church caused our pastor to quit. This led to a call for the removal of the church officers. Many, many people left our church over that decision (the...

I'm gonna go WAAY out on a limb here, and say that I wonder if you don't have a problem with satan toying with you? IOW - satan seems to enjoy putting negative thoughts into your head, KNOWING that you will then go with it, and seek to find a solution, or run in circles looking for answers...