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    Why Substitutionary Atonement?

    The reason I make this distinction is because the parables of Jesus were analogies that had spiritual truth, but did not always have literal doctrinal equivalence. This means that the parables of Jesus could not always be interpreted literally. To give an example, in the parable of the...
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    Why Substitutionary Atonement?

    <You can see as fatherjimparker has said, you have somewhat distorted what he said in order to promote your own understanding. Actually I can see vast differences in your view of the gospel to his, so I encourage you to acknowledge that. Even so, I wish to remind you the mechanism by which...
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    Why Substitutionary Atonement?

    A more appropriate analogy of sin debt would be that you owe a bunch of fines for offenses (like traffic tickets), and the judge (God) decides to allow those debts to be forgiven. The reason the judge allows them to be forgiven is because another (Christ) volunteers to pay those debts for you...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    FreeGrace2, There is one thing I was wondering about last night. Your original argument from your first posts back on page 1 is that salvation is a gift from God, and the gifts of God can never be lost because they are irrevocable (Rom 11:29). But the Bible tells us that faith is also a gift...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    Actually, this helps clarify your earlier response to my questions back on page 1. For clarification, your view includes the following: 1. Salvation is separate from faith. 2. Once a person believes and becomes saved, he can never lose his salvation. 3. Even if he stops believing, his...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    Regarding the open debates that are in this thread, I have a real-world example that I would like to see comments on. Bart Ehrman is a professor of religious studies at UNC Chapel Hill. By his assertion, he grew up as a born-again Christian and attended college with the intent of being a Bible...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    Concerning Wordkeeper's variable 2: The person who does not love his brother remains in death. I John 3: 14We know that we have passed over from death into life because we love the brothers. Anyone not loving remains in death. 15Anyone hating his brother is a murderer, and we know that any...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    fatherjimparker, Excellent post. This is the identical same point that I was trying to make in my original post #7 back on page one.
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    You make a reasonable enough argument here regarding salvation being an irrevocable gift of God, but the Arminian view is: God will never take salvation away from you, but what if you turn your back on him? I am curious about your exegesis of the following verses from my previous list. I...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    I am curious of your reference to Rom 11:29. Rom 11:28-29 tells us that Israel is still God's chosen people because of God's call to Abraham in Gen 12. God's "call" is irrevocable, so Israel is God's chosen nation. Yet the Bible also tells us that the majority of Israelites were never saved...
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    Can you lose your salvation?

    One of the key issues on the question of salvation is the issue of eternal security. This issue revolves around the question: “Can a Christian fall away from the faith?” Some advocate that there is no such thing as eternal security. Others advocate the view of “Once Saved, Always Saved.”...
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    Please Answer: I'm Having Doubts

    These are good points here. I use these approaches regularly.
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    Please Answer: I'm Having Doubts

    Zechariah 11:17 has nothing to do with Christ. In Bible prophecy we find three major types of prophecy: 1. Prophecies about things that will take place in the future. 2. Prophecies about things that were currently happening at the time of the prophecy and why God was doing those things. 3...
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    Unscriptural but popular Christian Cliches

    I do think the NIV is definitely the most accurate translation of this verse.
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    2 tabernacles and 2 arks?

    I went back and checked Exodus 19-40, and thing I will note is that the Bible is not explicitly clear on how much transpired before the golden calf incident and what order it occurred in. Exodus 24:3-4 refers to Moses already having written down God's words and laws before the content presented...
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    Why Substitutionary Atonement?

    Regarding I Cor. 15:16-17, my intent was to point out that salvation is based upon both Christ's death and resurrection, not just his death alone. After reading your response, I realized that this point does not matter with regard to the question of accepting or rejecting substitutionary...
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    Why Substitutionary Atonement?

    If your intent is to argue that Christ is an "atoning sacrifice" for sin instead of a "substitute," I do not have any reason to disagree with your remark. This came up in earlier posts regarding II Cor 5:21. One version is: "He who did not know sin was made sin on our behalf" - This...
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    2 tabernacles and 2 arks?

    Actually, the Bible is often repetitive like this. The Ten Commandments are given in Exodus 20 and repeated in Deut 5. Many of the things described in Leviticus are re-described in Numbers and Deut. Looking elsewhere: - I and II Chronicles repeat the history in I Samuel-II Kings - Several of...
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    Unscriptural but popular Christian Cliches

    The original: "The love of money is the root of all evil" is the English translation of the original Greek. Or actually it is: "The root of all evil is the love of silver," if you want to get explicitly literal. The important thing to understand is that Greek is not English, and Greeks do not...
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    Unscriptural but popular Christian Cliches

    Even aside from that, the Bible commands us to obey the laws of our leaders, as long as those laws are not against proclaiming Christ or living righteously. Simply by the fact that cocaine is illegal would make it a sin to use.