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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    From your previous post, it is clear that you have erroneously conflated justification and sanctification. They are not the same. With that kind of error, your posts become irrelevant, since they are based on error.
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    John 3:15,16, John 5:24, John 6:47, John 20:31, Acts 16:31, etc.
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    Here's the problem. Justification IS salvation, sanctification is spiritual growth. Very different things. You have conflated them into one idea.
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    Hearing the gospel and then trusting in the gospel. Which is putting your trust alone in the work of Christ alone for salvationn. No one is saved by "following what God's Word says". Where is the OT Law found? In God's Word. And the Jews found that no one can keep the Law. So, how is...
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    You mis-stated the issue. Salvation is conditional. On faith in Christ. Then, "following what God's Word says" is what those who have believed and ARE saved are to do.
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    All believers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Eph 1:13,14 Believers are commanded to be filled with the Spirit, per Eph 5:18.
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    OK, you see this debate as some kind of "heat". Sounds rather personal to me. Probably that's why the "overstating of my stance".
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    This is total nonsense. I've used no 'technique', unless you want to call reading the Bible a technique. Show me any of these supposed "false claims about glorified bodies", if you can. When a believer is resurrected or "raptured" they receive an imperishable body, per 1 Pet 1:23. That's...
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    All of what you say here applies directly to you as well. I have shown you what Jesus Christ SAID Himself. And yet you continue to believe something else. Take Care.
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    I take nothing personally, so it doesn't matter how anyone assesses my beliefs. There you go again with your own OVERSTATEMENTS. I've NEVER said that I have "indisputably proven my conclusions". So you keep making these grandiose comments all without justification. What I believe is because...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    What CAN'T be shown is that any glorified believers will EVER be IN heaven. But go ahead and try to find a verse that shows that, if you can. Here's the thing. Rev 20 shows very clearly that when Jesus comes back (we call that the Second Advent) He will be King Jesus, and will rule over the...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    And I'm geting real tired of your inability to comprehend what I've shared. Then just say nothing. Let's end this unproductive effort.
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    No, you are the very confused one. You claim I contradict myself in 481, yet, those who have read my quote show that I was asking YOU a question. So, please explain how asking a question can be a contradiction of my view. Well, news flash! I NEVER said such a thing. I guess you really don't...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    No offense, but I don't need to look at your points. I look at the Bible for my information. YES!! That is the singular resurrection of the unsaved for the GWT as found at the end of ch 20. Absolutely NOT. I've already shown the verses that SHOW a singular resurrection for the saved and a...
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    Sure, there's an argument against what I just said. We certainly are not in agreement. All this is simply another way to express loss of salvation. There is no guarantee that genuine believers will produce fruit. That's why it is commanded. And this is where we totally disagree. The Bible...
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    How many Resurrections for believers?

    No I don't. I reject the notion of soul sleep. The souls of all believers who have died are in heaven. Irrelevant to me. What??!! I fully accept that account as literal of what happened to all OT people who died. All went to Hades, the saved to Paradise and the unsaved to a place called...
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    WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

    This isn't the gospel, no way, no how. It is true that those who do love God WILL keep His commandments. But the only ones who really love God have already put their trust in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross and have therefore been born again and have the Holy Spirit. You should get your...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    Anyone who openly admits they haven't read the Bible for 30 years but comes on Christian forums to argue for ANY position/view opens themselves up for criticism. Given that you aren't a Bible reader, you have no argument. It already has. I cannot help your lack of understanding. I do, all...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    Before I read about your example, John would have ONLY MEANT their physical bodies will come alive again for the GWT. Now, how hard is that to understand? Real clear here. Same message as acts 24:15; there will be a resurrection of the saved and one of the unsaved. If John was "averse" to...
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    There is no such thing as a "rapture" for believers!!

    You keep using terms that are not biblical, like "saints at large" and "landedness". You are not being clear at all. The Bible most certainly does state that ALL believers will receive glorified bodies, which means they WILL live with God forever. So what? And what "20:ff" refer to...