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    Few will be saved?

    Matt 7:21-24 Talks about true and false disciples. Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian or a disciple is following God and putting his words into practice. Yes, faith requires action. Faith without deeds is dead. Just because you call to Jesus "Lord Lord" doesn't mean anything if the...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Your doctrine seems to be very watered down, and doesn't put much emphasis on what the scriptures actually say. I just pray that you and your church can follow the scriptures and baptise people as soon as they make a decision to repent and follow the Lord, and not put it off, thus endangering...
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    The precise point of salvation

    I agree 100%. Unfortunately, the vast majority of protestant Christians see baptism as not being for salvation, and therefore see it as optional, causing untold numbers to never be baptised, never have their sins forgiven, and to never receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. By not responding to...
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    The precise point of salvation

    We've gotten way off track. I'm talking about being saved, not about feeling saved. Do you believe the following or not? - baptism is the point at which our sins are forgiven (after believing and repenting), and therefore the point at which our conscience is made clean, and the point at...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Of course. God judges everyone justly. 2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Why are you trying to apply new covenant principles and teaching to people under the old covenant? This is nonsensical. The bible says repent and be baptised. You're inventing a scenario not mentioned in the bible, "But what if there is no water!?" You're using corner cases to make excuses...
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    The precise point of salvation

    The word 'and' means that both parts are required in context of the subject. In this case you must both repent AND be baptised, "for" forgiveness of sins. The bible makes no mention of being baptised ONLY is water is convenient. Again, you are using eisegesis to inject your own meaning. Peter...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says...
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    The precise point of salvation

    I never said people were saved by repenting. Repentance is a prerequisite to baptism, which saves. Actually, God made a way forgave ALL their sins, intentional AND unintentional: Lev 16:20 “When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the tent of meeting and the...
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    The precise point of salvation

    God has offered several different ways for people to be saved over time: OLD COVENANT Sacrifices and offerings. These were temporary, until Christ died, and the new covenant began. John's Baptism: This was a sign of things to come. A lesser baptism of consisting only of repentance. It...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Yes, we receive the indwelling portion of the Holy Spirit in baptism. Without being baptised, you cannot be saved, because the Holy Spirit is a mark, a seal that guarantees you your inheritance of heaven and salvation. We are saved at this point, when we receive the Holy Spirit, and obviously...
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    concensus view on water baptism

    I completely agree. However because of the false doctrine of "salvation by faith only", untold numbers of believers are never baptised because they are taught that baptism is nice to do, but completely optional. For example, the Salvation Army church never baptise anyone! Faith always...
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    The precise point of salvation

    You just contradicted yourself. You said you must "do both", ie repent AND be baptised FOR the forgiveness of sins. You then go on to state that repenting is enough to be saved. The men who had only received John's baptism had only repented of their sins - they had not yet been forgiven. John's...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Also, Matt 25:34 is referring to those that are already saved. It is not an instruction on how to become saved. Matt 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
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    The precise point of salvation

    Peter tells his listeners to "save yourselves". This implies that you need to do something to be saved. Your faith requires a response. Acts 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." What was the response? Acts...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Yes. Jesus had not introduced his baptism for the forgiveness of sins, and the gift of the HS at that point. Yes. Offering and sacrifices in the OT. Jesus' forgave sins on earth while alive. Jesus' baptism saves us after Jesus' death on the cross. Hearing the word, developing faith, followed...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Of course Jesus had the power to forgive sins while on earth. Luke 5:18-20 Jesus heals the paralyzed man, by saying “Friend, your sins are forgiven.” The thief on the cross is another example. These events happened before Jesus had died. If we want to see the path of salvation that God...
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    The precise point of salvation

    Baptism doesn't "help God to forgive us of our sins". Simply put, baptism is the point at which God forgives us of our sins. We are commanded to be baptised. It is a promise from God, that He will forgive us of our sins, and give us the gift of the internal dwelling of the Holy Spirit (Acts...