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  1. fromtheAsh

    Do you think any homosexuals are born gay?

    I don't see how you are choosing to be straight, choosing your partner, yes. I don't see anything here that says you chose to be straight and not gay.
  2. fromtheAsh

    Do you think any homosexuals are born gay?

    In what way? I am not sure if you are talking about was it part of the original pre-fall design or if you mean that God does make some people gay for a certain purpose. The answer to both would be "I don't know". Homosexuality seems to occur just as normally and naturally as heterosexuality, and...
  3. fromtheAsh

    Do you think any homosexuals are born gay?

    We're as much born gay as much as people are born straight.
  4. fromtheAsh

    Should we attend our daughters gay wedding

    When my fiancee and I were planning our wedding, which is now three weeks away, we talked about where or not to invite those who we knew did not support our relationship. This was actually quite a long conversation, and the source of the a bit of stress. What we ultimately decided is that we...
  5. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    1) Interpretation "to give or provide the meaning of, explain; explicate; elucidate". Your explanation is that these verses say exactly what they mean and apply today in all situations relating to homosexuality. 2) I never once said you misinterpret anything. I said you interpret differently...
  6. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I am gay. I completely understand that you think I am inserting my bias, but in fact, I was first presented this view of same-sex relationships from a straight person, and did not accept it at first. In fact, I did not accept it for years. I believed I was called for celibacy (once I finally...
  7. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    A literal interpretation is still an interpretation. You can't read something without forming a meaning of it.
  8. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I'm not attempting to dodge anything, I'm taking into account the overall scriptural themes, original language, scriptural context, historical-cultural context, etc. of the passage in order to understand what it means. That's no different than how anyone is taught to interpret scripture, the...
  9. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I'd say that his point is that he dislikes brown and those are the colors he likes. My point was that Jesus didn't quote Genesis 2 to make some statement about monogamy as the question was about divorce, he's giving an interpretation of the passage in reference to divorce.
  10. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    This really isn't rationalization or mental gymnastics, it's laying out the step-by-step process we all use to interpret scripture.
  11. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    Again, that's your interpretation of scripture. "The Bible says it, that settles it." is still an interpretation. That's how people make points, they bring up their reasoning and then say "Because of that, here is my point." or "Here is my point, and this is why this is my point." Jesus is...
  12. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    That's fine if you believe that all homosexual acts are sinful, I do not believe that homosexuality is anymore sinful than heterosexuality. Sex should not exist outside of marriage, which I also ended up showing that scripture does not actually define what is and is not a married couple.
  13. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    Yes, because he's quoting the passage. His point is in verse 6 "Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate". Come on, now. Seriously. Yes, and Exodus commands that adulterers should be stoned, not a man with more than one wife as I just showed you how the Law managed...
  14. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    It's not a weak argument or twisting scripture, that's normal exegesis, how we all interpret scripture whether or not we realize it.
  15. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    If you take a look at the context of his words, he's replying to Pharisees' questions regarding divorce. "Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the...
  16. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I don't claim that those who hold that all homosexual relationships are sinful have no sound argument for it, to say otherwise would be an inaccurate statement about the nature of exegesis. I do often find that people have never even heard any other opinion on what scripture says about same-sex...
  17. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    That's never actually specified. 1) There's numerous other models of marriages in the old testament clearly not sinful and do not fit into our notion of marriage solely existing between one man and one woman. This would include a man, his wife, plus slaves, or Man, wife, and concubines, or man...
  18. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I wrote this post a little while ago on this forum, it's a paraphrase from Justin Lee's (founder of the Gay Christian Network) "Side A" essay on same-sex relationships. Same-sex relationships are not always necessarily sinful. 1) Scripture isn't as clear as it appears to be Romans 1:26-27 -...
  19. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    The Gay Christian Network is an excellent organization. I went to their conference a couple of years ago when it was in Chicago, and loved it. Torn is a fantastic book as well.
  20. fromtheAsh

    What to do if one of your Christian Children were homosexual?

    I wouldn't wish my experience in high school on my worst enemy. I spent roughly six years convinced that I could overcome this, and that I was in bondage or whatever simply because I had these attractions, and those six years were the worst six years of my life. Alcoholics, gamblers, stalkers...