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Where is this taught in the scriptures? What was required in the OT in order for someone to be part of the old covenant? What about what Peter states a matter of factly in 1 Pet 3:21? Circumcision was required of the Jews in order to be in the family of God. Infants were circumcised...

First Nothing in the OT is obselete. That is like saying God's word is irrelevant in some parts. The OT is essential to understanding the NT and visa versa. If you truly want to understand what was going on in the OT in light of the new, then study the Hebrew understanding of covenant. The...

Could the background of what's going on here be the Passover? Could that be the context surrounding what is happening in John's gospel in chapters 17, 18, and 19? Hmmm.

Ted and 1an, I appreciate your zeal in wanting to make this argument and I used to be standing where you are standing, but you need to consider what you are saying. First, no where in the imediate context does Jesus refer to Abraham or anything else you refer to in the OT. To say that is...

Although interesting and I would love to discuss this further, this is more broad than I think Jesus was referring to on the cross. Back and read a few chapters before. Start with chapter 16 and work your way through 19. All I would like is some participation by telling me what you think the...

It doesn't answer the question. If "It" refers to the work, then what does the work refer to. Again this just begs the question. If you have read chapters 17 through 19 (and I mean recently, as in the last day or so), then tell me what is the context surrounding whats going on especially in...

Jesus said, "It is finished".This statement is traditionally called "The Word of Triumph" and is theologically interpreted as the announcement of the end of the earthly life of Jesus, in anticipation for the Resurrection. The fact that it is traditionally called "The Word of Triumph" does NOT...

lol. I'm not laughing at you, but at what the write in Wiki. Okay... first, you say most theologians agree with this, but the only source Wiki lists for this saying of Christ is The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia by Geoffrey W. Bromiley 1988. You are going to have to support your...

Well, I started this thread to have a discussion about this provocative question, not to tell others what I have come to discover through my own study. I also find it better for the person who is serious about going deeper into God's word to do the leg work instead of spoon-feeding. I am a...

How do you deduce that from what I said? I was only referring to your assertion that Jesus was referring to his earthly ministry as being complete. I said nothing about his death.

If Jesus' ministry was finished then why have the disciples and why recruit people like Saul (Paul) to continue his ministry. His ministry is continuing today through His church. So, I don't see how you can say his ministry was complete and that was what he was referring to. His ministry with...

Wrong. His work could not be finished because as Paul writes in Rom. 4:25, "...he was raised for our justification." His work could not have been completed without him being raised. If he was not raised from the dead, it would have meant nothing. Futhermore, your assertion that the "it"...

You're correct, but the question is what Jesus was referring to when he said, "It is finished," not "I thirst." Jesus was not quoting any scripture when he said, "It is finished."

I don't mind your thoughts. Even if you're wrong, you are closer to the truth, right? It also means you are thinking about it which is good. I would also ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in understanding as you read His word. It is a habit I am forming in my own life -- to pray before and...

That is no problem. Take your time and please don't rush to answer. I've been studying and reading about the covenant for almost 8 years. I find it to be central to understanding everything else about salvation history, God's oikonomia. God bless, I'll look forward to reading your...

Wait a minute, Jesus has just performed miracles when he is making this statement. What deeds could He be referring to within the context of the entire passage. He is indeed referring to the miracles He's been performing. So my question is what "greater" deeds is Jesus referring to? I think...

I think you are off point. This discussion is about what Jesus was referring to when He said, "It is finished." These other topics, although interesting, must be set aside for another time. Thanks. God bless,

I find the translation very interesting. That is actually a better translation of the word used in "it is finished." So the question could be asked, "What was consummated?" Thanks,

Hello everyone, Thank you for your responses. You are pretty much saying the same thing. You're saying that our redemption, our justification was completed by his death upon the cross. Dr. Gordon Hugenberger, professor at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, asked the same...

So are you saying His work of redemption (our justification) was complete on the cross?