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Hi PA, You raise a good point here. I think this comes to the heart of what was being discussed. You can look at this scripture in one of two ways: 1. All we have to do is be obedient to the commandments and God has to reward us for for our obedience because we deserve it. 2. If we do not...

Great article Skylark! I've only read the snippets, but I certainly agree with the tone of the post. Personally, I don't see any incongruity with the principles of obedience and the gift of grace.

The only place I ever heard it was from missionaries from the MC (Mormon Corridor). I always regarded it as arrogrant.

You forgot to read Moses 8. If you had, you wouldn't be asking this question.

Tithing is part of the Law of Obedience. Offerings are part of the Law of Sacrifice. Obedience is the first law of heaven, the cornerstone upon which all righteousness and progression rest. 1 Samuel 15:22 And...

I always thought I was a normal kid, however the more I think about the things I used to do, the less "normal" I seem. I built an electromagnet when I was seven, my first radio when I was eight and at nine I got into a lot of trouble with a high voltage generator I built. :doh: (BTW It's 2AM...

[/COLOR] I think your Venus mind is getting lost in the bullet points. ;) We are in agreement with your #2 statement, where you said the AM stuff was "lame". That's the point I agree with. As to the excitement: That was with the prospect of your choice of the "Jupiter Talisman" as being a slam...

Once again we have this problem with the ambiguous middle. If I were to ask what Baptists believe about the end-times. How many answers would I get? However, if I were to ask a SDA the same question, I would probably get only one answer. However, if I were to ask what Baptists believe about...

Are you serious? No. It is not OT. This is called a point-of-order. This is the same as Stendahl's point 2 (with a healthy does of point 1) which I usually refer to comparing apples-with-apples.

The problem with this is that only works for what is taught as Doctrine. At the fringe, all you can really say is what a preponderence of LDS belief is or what is representative of LDS belief. So if you ask what we believe on one of these fringe issues, you may get different answers depending...

We are in agreement. :) [/COLOR] History is good. History is also kind to no one. To be fair, you should study the overall history of Christianity. Michael Servetus is a good place to start. Compared that, LDS history is a walk in the park. You also need to beware of that Old Testament. The...

No. That is a matter of fact. In that case, as I have said, this is non-sequiter. Just making sure we are comparing apples with apples. If you want to insist there must be a cohesion of belief amongst LDS at the fringes of our doctrine, then you need to explain why that cohesion does not...

What is it with this inability to understand ambiguity? If I state that something is not a source of doctrine, it does not mean that I am discrediting it. Yes, they are published by the Church for the use of CES outside of Church. That they do. However, let's not be disingenuous. What you...

In this case, this is non-sequiter. This is not a teaching of the Church. This is a reference from a CES manual. We are at the fringe of doctrine here. There is no LDS teaching here. There are simply things that LDS have taught on this matter. We are not drones. We are not the Borg. You can...

I don't see too much difference in what I have written and BRM's commentary. He dwells a lot on our pre-Earth life - which I didn't want to dwell on other to mention foreordination. I see the term children of Abraham as referring to the Abrahamic Covenantwhich I alluded to before. As Isee it...

This is the Seminary manual - what we teach to teenagers. Whilst it is a good source of material, I would have thought you'd use the Institute manual - which is what is taught to adults. Both manuals are not Church manuals, they are CES manuals and used for instruction outside of Church, such as...

Thanks Skylark, a much better definition than the one I provided. I didn't expect there to be any confusion with this term. I suppose that's what happens when you build to short wave radios as a kid and then grow up to be an computer engineer. Terms like this just become part of everyday...

:ill: I frequently encounter terms I'm not aware of. What do I do in that case? I google it. Both the links I provided were on page 1 of their respective google searches. The S/N ratio term is one I frequently use. Signal:Noise == How much useful information is provided as a ratio of...

Really? What part? S/N - definition of S/N by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. Urban Dictionary: YMMV Google is your friend.

Haven't been to Mars lately. ;) (Swart gets excited) Please: Can you make this one of your two principal objections! This is one of the most easily refuted claims against JS. Really? Okay, noted for future reference. :P Where were you headed? :blush: