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Well, if you are going to try to get people on your band wagon, you might possibly want to get your history correct. The Essenes, or the people of Qumar (where the Dead Sea Scrolls) were found in caves (over 2000 years ago) were believers in predestination and the belief that God perservered...

Well I'm glad to know we don't have to accept your view, because I don't. I accept what the Bible says, and anyone, or any "church" that doesn't is in grave error, and will have some answering to do in that regard, as will I for all of my errors, but our salvation, thank GOD ALMIGHTY, will...

I agree with most of what you have said, the only difference is that I believe also provides the means and desire for our "accepting" His call or acknowledgement of His salvation...and the reason I believe this is because BEFORE the foundation of the earth was laid, He chose us IN Him, to be...

HEHEHE, I think what that means is that God will harden those who are not of the Elect. God is just and we ALL DESERVE hell, but HE CHOSE, not we, to show HIS mercy to SOME, not all. Therefore, those that he shows His mercy to were softened to that message for God is NOT a failure. Those whom...

HEHEHE after much work and trying to fit it all in I had too much stuff on here, EVERYTHING happens for a reason...if you care to break down these verses in Greek blueletterbible.org has a great translator, it gives all definitions of the original text of the Bible, a great resource for our...

I apologize if you thought "pal" was condescending, I say that a lot and I mean it as a term of brotherhood because after all, despite our difference in doctrine, we are part of the same brotherhood, unless of course God has chosen us for different purposes ;) You say that my view of the verse...

IT IS IN REFERENCE, and it has ALL to do with salvation, it has to do with how God works in purposing HIS plan, not OURS. You left off the important part of the verse pal... 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to...

I'll assume this was addressed to me, because I realllllly want to reply regardless. If God chose us, BECAUSE we chose Him and He just had privy information on our choice, that would be a choice made on OUR merit, or our positive volition, which we do not have, that would not be grace...

Yep, you are right...if HE has purposed me for Hell, then that is where I will be. Knowing my the solidity of my salvation helps me in this. It helps me know that I love the Lord my God, and those that love Him know Him and those are the Elect of God. If a man loves God, through God the Son...

I did not make the links in this song, I got it from another post on here, so whoever made it thanks. FOM<>< Arminian Grace Arminian grace! How strange the sound Salvation hinged on ME I once was lost then turned around Was blind then chose to see What “grace” is it that calls for...

Wow, if the truth makes you turn from God I would say you never truly knew Him anyway, because to know Him is to love Him and the only way to turn from Him is to have never known Him. The only way to KNOW Him is to read His word and not judge Him with human wisdom and standards. To you I would...

His purpose...Romans 9:14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, ******and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the...

You are kind of correct. What I believe is that our perception is that of "free-will", that is that we choose all that we do and believe. I believe that God is the Creator of all that is on the earth and purposed or made things work as all Creators do. He made me, all my physical...

What I am saying is that God makes EVERYTHING come back to Himself in the form of glory. I am saying that though God is not a liar, He allows the father of lies to spread his lies, but He purposes the results of those lies that are spread to the glory of Himself. I don't think I am being...

Actually, in OSAS, sin DOES seperate people from God. The difference between the two doctrines is that OSAS states that Christ's death on the cross was effectual and that the scripture that says that Christ died to sin ONCE for ALL is truth. We say that when we acknowledge our salvation...

This is my post in General Theology, and I'm just posting it here to jump in on you alls discussion, hello Ben Johnson, nice to be debating with you again...perhaps one day we will be on the same side. Evidence from scripture that GOD, who is the author and distributor of faith and salvation...

Very carefully, we must acknowledge that EVEN sin is under the control and soveriegnty of God...everything on this earth will come together to bring God the glory. God can ordain what evil things are to happen and what is not to happen, with Job He alowed Satan to torment and test him, but HE...

Rebelling is going against God's ways, not His will. Did he not allow Jonah to run away from his duty to speak out in the horrible place called Ninevah, but did He not also, purpose a stinkin' whale to swallow Jonah and break him down so that he would submit and realize his error? Don't you...

The only problem is that there is no scripture to back your belief, logically, I agree with the opposition here, but scripturally, salvation is of God, from God, by God, and ORDAINED to an elect and specific people, HIS CHILDREN. FOM<><