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  1. The Outlier

    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    It also depends on the level of peer review. If 100 scientists with PHDs read over research you did and say it looks good- that is not very thorough, although I would not go as far as to say its worthless. If 10 scientists with PHDs have already tried exactly the same experiments and then look...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    I will look at that and get back to you. I see your definition of appealing to authority, and you did appeal to authority, just below that. You quoted Lawrence Krauss. He may be a smart, well-respected person. That doesn't mean that whatever he said is automatically science. The "peer...
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    The flat earth fallacy

    Good point. One assumption people also make, that I think is fallacious is that no one before Copernicus thought the earth was round. Society had existed for a few thousand years, made up of famous people from famous countries to unknown people in unknown countries. Copernicus was well-known...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    Peer review is part of the societal requirement for the profession of scientist. It is mentioned nowhere in the scientific method. Its part of the profession created by our society, just like an engineering degree is typically required for someone to get a job as an engineer. The absence of a...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    It would be interesting to see the actual study. Your logic is flawed either way. The word conservative is never mentioned in the Bible. Jesus and Donald Trump would not get along very well. I'm glad to know you have studied neuropsychology. That doesn't help your argument though. Its the...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    Every scientific study has to be based on logic. If the logic is off, the entire study is off. The first logical problem with your argument is you assume people to be either conservative or liberal. Political ideology is much more complex than that. There is also authoritarianism...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    When you really think about it, the whole idea that an entire belief system is genetic resembles social darwinism- regardless of whether its held by early 20th century republicans or 21st century liberals. Its still the same flawed idea. Its still essentially prejudice.
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    First of all, sorry if I was not very polite with you last time. Its out of character for me; at least the character I try to display. You asked if I thought believing the Koran was rational. Historically it has no case. It was written in the 7th century AD, 550 years after Jesus, and over...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    FYI I do not have 2 screens so this post was edited multiple times. +1000. You have grasped the point I was trying to make. That is all that science really is. Its not something you have to be born after Copernicus to understand or utilize. Its basic problem solving skills. Its not...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    I don't think its irrational for them to believe there is a God or right and wrong. Proveable reality? Only because you believe that a God is irrational. I tend to believe that the idea that the universe come from nowhere is irrational. But you basically said that ancient people were...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    The thinking that every religious book is irrational is not something you can prove. Irrational based on what? Every religion is different. Just remember, the Egyptians were ancient people too. The pyramids are not exactly devoid of scientific principles. They had science too. There is no...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    I classify people I need to understand as people I need to understand. Both liberals and conservatives can be close minded. There is a quote (by a person unknown) that says its not hard to argue with a smart person. Its extremely hard to argue with a dumb person. I would use the word...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    I have met the same number of dumb conservatives as I have dumb liberals. In both cases they are people who over-react to what they hear if its from the other side and blindly believe everything they hear if its from their side. I would like to add to my last post that conservatives trust an...
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    The difference between Liberals and Conservatives

    Both viewpoints can be taught to anyone or reasoned by anyone with any genetics. Conservatives generally believe that man is by nature evil, which is why authority has to be held to account, and why they want guns. That's something that can be taught to anyone. Democrats tend to think man is...
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    The Confederate Flag

    Its not much different than an art or music discussion: ie heavy metal. To me, the origins of a style of music mean nothing. To others, it does matter. I could care less about the flag. I'm just mad that people are dissing General Lee. Not the general. The car.
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    Here is an example of what I mean when I say we don't necessarily know more information, we know different informaion. We theoretically know a broader range of information because we have access to more information, but in order for someone in Austrailia to know what is going on in France, he...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    Agree, and its not impossible that many of the people who wrote down their visions in the Bible also knew the earth was not flat. Its not quite fact though. We know the outcome of historical battles. We don't know details of those battles that the ancients knew. We read accounts of what...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    The third part of your post will be addressed later. I have to help with Vacation Bible School here in a few minutes. Also, if you want to know what the discussion of history in my first reply was about, it was in reference to the book of Genesis being a historical record. I tend to trust...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    Eek! Someone used that wretched number! :sigh::oldthumbsup: What you are saying is that the math is easier if we assume radioactive decay is constant, and that there was no outside force. I agree with the first part, but it is still an assumption, as is the assumption that no outside force...
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    3 basic logical fallacies in the "anti-science" argument

    There is much of this that is a rabbit trail, since the topic is why calling someone anti-science who disagrees with an individual theory is illogical. You are not alone on this rabbit trail however, since I helped create it. I acknowledge that multiple theories are linked together, if not by...