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I see, so this verse seems to be refering to a type of judgement? Or just killing?

Well thanks for your input bible2. I have done searches and posted a thread about the matthew and luke verses. It seems the two popular theories are the one you described about "taken" to judgement and the other "taken" with Christ. Both arguements have their own historical and language...

Mathew 24 v 28 says "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. " Luke 17 v 37 says "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together." Are these verses to be...

Bible2, Mathew 24 v 28 could indeed mean the rapture of the church. In Luke 17 v 37 when asked "where?" Christ answered "Wheresoever the body is thither will the eagles be gathered together" The body is Christ and the Eagles are the believers. This makes the most sense to me. He is reassuring...

Bible2 could you list who get's saved via rapture vs who gets saved via entering the mellinium vs who gets killed by Christ himself upon his return. What method of judgement does Christ use to determine who enters the mellinium alive in a mortal state? I think you said unbelieving jews would...

Thoughts? Oh boy, now I have to research mid trib. lol I suppose pre tribbers will say because of the two witnesses and the sealed tribes that there will be people saved during the trib and those are the hunted as you mention. I suppose post tribbers will say that the trumpet of God and...

Another thought as I waffle on Luke17. If the "taken" verses are refering to pre trib rapture then I guess the tribulation would have to be represented by the flood as judgement. This event is likened to the Days of Noah. If the "taken" verses are refering to post trib then I guess the...

The Greek word "paralambano" could also mean.... lol, "taken". Christ is giving an example of the days on Noah to liken the event to. Noah and his family were "taken". Everyone else died in the flood. This group of believing survivors repopulated the earth. I can see how one could interperet...

lol, Bible2 is killing me. Must read. Must read more. lol

You mentioned Matthew 24:39b-40 as evidence that there will be unsaved survivors after the return of Christ. There is no mention of Christ physically returning to earth in this verse, just rapture. Perhaps this return is where we meet in the clouds. Just as in the days of Noah no one knew the...

Are you sure that the unbelieving survivors will be left alive? From what I understand the only survivors will be the saved believers. Do you have any specific verses that show unbelievers surviving Christ return. I thought if you didn't give your life to Jesus before he came back that death...

Gee wiz Bible2! You typed all of that? lol, you should charge an hourly rate or something. lol I'll read that and thanks again.

lol, Yep, I'm even more mixed up in person.:D Don't get me wrong, I agree with pre trib. I don't think there will be a suviving "guy" who didn't take the mark or didn't believe that will slide into the millenium to repopulate the earth. I heard an arguemnt a while back that explained if we...

Interesting replies. Thanks all. I just want to know what others think about "guy". I heard an arguement about "who will populate the mellinium" that got me thinking about this. If Christ returns to judge, separate, and kill then the idea that there is a pre trib rapture makes sense...

Perhaps this speaks of his return to Jerusalem, the establishment of his 1000 year reign, and he is saving the sheep and setting aside the goats for the white throne judgement later on. If this were the actual white throne judgement then God would be the judge and the scene would be set in...

Understood. What about mathew 25 v 31-46. Looks to me like the only survivors will be the sheep and not surviving non believers. Just a thought. Thanks

For Bible2.... You mentioned Mathew 25,41-46 as the White throne judgement? What about the preceding verse 31? Mat 25 v 31 says when the Son of man shall come. He does sit on a throne but the white throne? It seems like this verse speaks of Christ 1000 year reign does it not? He separates...

Ok, so you are saying there are 2 types of survivors after the tribulation. 1. Those who turned to Christ and lived. 2. Those who didn't fight against Jeurasalem, were not saved, and lived.

I'm sure a remenant of converts came out of that big army. Talk about a last minute change of heart. Close call.

I understand your arguement. I used to hold this idea when I was part of a messianic study group. The idea that Christ is the firstfruits of God and the tribes are the firstfruits of Christ has interesting parallells. Surely one to consider and I do. However, I also have been looking into the...