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Again, you condemn Mormonism by your own words. After Joseph Smith's "restoration", there are now multiple schisms, all believed at the same time. Therefore, this is a sign of apostasy, according to your above logic.

dzheremi, you have to understand that many Mormons have this idea that God left the building after the apostles died, and that the Holy Spirit was not involved in any of the early Church Councils, and that they were without inspiration. It wasn't until the 1800s with Joseph Smith that the...

Right, and all I'm saying is that millions of people resonate with the message of an apostasy told by other recently created churches and religions. So...what? If you don't believe Catholicism, fine. But hundreds of millions do. We know there was never an apostasy. We know there was no...

I'm really astounded by the illogic employed by some Mormons here. So because thousands join Mormonism every year, that means it isn't just a conspiracy theory, but the truth? Why don't you insert Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, Muslims, etc. for Mormonism. They'd say exactly...

This all sidesteps the actual issue brought up: you claimed that schism indicates that the gospel was not passed on uncorrupted. If we use that exact same claim (made by you, not me), then the schisms in Mormonism indicate that the gospel was not passed on uncorrupted. You then decided to...

Nice try, you just changed your argument. You stated that all the schisms indicate that the gospel was not passed on uncorrupted. Using your same argument, all the schisms in Mormonism, since the mere 1800s, indicate that the supposed restored gospel (at least Mormonism's version of a...

Therefore all the schisms in the Mormon movement since Joseph Smith in the 1800s indicates that the "restored gospel" was not handed down uncorrupted to you to this day, using your logic. List of denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement - Wikipedia

So is that the most recent Mormon revelation? Can you please quote it (that was my request to which you responded)? Catholics do not believe that Revelation is solely contained in the written word (i.e. the scriptures). Indeed, such a standard is found nowhere in the scriptures themselves.

Sorry, but as a Catholic, my church fathers are preaching the Faith originally taught by Jesus Christ and His apostles. We believe that God has never stopped being intimately involved with His children, and that Jesus Christ is active in guiding His Church. We believe that the Holy Spirit is...

Of course, Christians believe that God is intimately involved in the Church and the perpetuation of the Truth, down the ages. The Source has never left us on our own.

Reply Actually, the more he quotes them, the more I am convinced that the Christian faith has remained intact, as Jesus Christ promised, and that the great apostasy is a heresy taught by heretics who want to posit a reason for their false beliefs.

Not sure what your point is. As a Catholic I reject the idea that the Bible teaches that the Bible must teach everything that is true, and that there must be a negative connotation to a belief that is purportedly not found in the Bible. If you have evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

I reject the non-Biblical idea that everything must be in the Bible. It is absolutely amusing to see jane doe use Bible-only arguments (despite her prior protests) when such a stance is found...nowhere in the Bible.

So you don't have cited evidence for your claims. Thank you.

Brand new? What do you mean? These words were used long before Mormonism was created in the 1800s, so I'm not sure what you mean by "brand new". The reason why dzheremi and I are banging our heads against the table is because we have already defined this terminology, and explained our...

Firstly, stop telling me what does and doesn't make sense to me. You can speak for yourself, but stop putting words in my mouth. Secondly, multiple posters here have explained it multiple times. When I read their words, it makes perfect sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is the...

Based on what evidence?

Why don't you tell us what "substance" or "divine essence" refers to.

And of course, as Jane Doe likes to remind us, God is an unchangeable God, so if He said that no one can see Him and live, then that doesn't change.

You are rich. Please stop telling me what I think, it is offensive. The reality is, it makes sense. Your caricature of the Trinity doesn't make sense, however the actual Trinity doctrine does. And even if it didn't, why on earth would that then mean that the Mormon ideas about God are...