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This is where the rest of us become confused. It's not the first time I heard both angles, but obviously one of them must be incorrect. The purpose of the Word of God being such an important issue, I'd expect a standard interpretation within Calvinism. -A

Well, Jesus the Christ was a human being, and He didn't sin, so I'd say in this case 'all' doesn't mean 'all'. -A

Very True Keep in mind - in the days of our Hebrew forefathers, a fetus does not carry the value of a full human life. It is considered a partial and potential life thus not open to murder or legal ruling, rather moral. The thought here is that the fetus has not yet taken the self-sustaining...

Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, -A

Not that anything needs to be added to this but might I observe that the power of the gospel and the spirit is so in line with truth that most of us are naturally drawn to it because we seek what is right and truthful? -A

Sounds Good. I would disagree. The blotting out of names definitely occurred. Psalm 69:28 - Add iniquity to their iniquity, And may they not come into Your righteousness. May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous. Revelation 3:5 - He who...

Then I suppose I'll make good on my threat and cease to interact with you any further. It's pretty much futile to discuss scripture with someone who has such blatant disregard for the inspired word. Before I leave you allow me to prove you wrong once again: According to you king David looked...

I don't disagree. I use 'from' in my explanation as well, because that is what scripture states. The heading which includes 'at' is a title/summary of the opposing view. Revelation 20 shows Hades giving up its dead - both great and small - to be judged at the Great White Throne. Those who had...

How does one respond to such confusion? Favor You've effectively changed the definition to fit your theology. Forget that showing favoritism or choosing a favorite requires that you actually have a preference, or admire an attribute. Christ Died at the Foundation Again, you were proven...

The answer is that no Jew ever heard of the term 'born again'. It is a new term used by Jesus to describe a concept the Israelites were familiar with but had not yet undergone or experienced. Nicodemus's confusion towards the term (not the concept) prompted Jesus to clarify what he meant by...

"How can these things be?" is akin to saying "How is this possible?". The literal Greek says: "Answered Nicodemus and said to him: 'it how able this be brought to pass (happen)?" To me it appears quite obvious that Nicodemus moved passed his initial ignorance regarding being 'born again' and...

True. I suppose we shouldn't really look at sides, rather the behavior of the individuals. I apologize for singling a few people out and I suppose this topic really serves no edifying purpose other than to allow some people to vent. -A

Quite the opposite, really. Everytime scripture is discussed you chime in with "...again the anti-Calvinist shows his ignorance....". When your not busy casting pejoratives your too busy being the victim to contribute anything valuable to the discussion. It's this sort of tired rhetoric that...

And, the OP point is validated by this very response. -A

In my experience there is a divide between those of the Reformed pursuation and Calvinists. Most who claim Calvinism as their banner thirst for conflict. It's those who simply consider themselves Reformed I've managed to have mutual pleasant conversations with. Granted, I have observed atrocious...

What I personally believe is of no consequence. What matters here is the position that the OT saints were not born again upon physical death. For Nicodemus and the other Jews the promise of Salvation was to come through the seed of Abraham. They took this to mean lineage. Being 'born again'...

The Hebrews did not have a clear understanding of the universe as we have today - they understood 'heaven' as three parts: 1) The earth's atmosphere 2) Outer Space 3) The throne of YHWH One explanation is that Elijah was simply taken up into the sky and transported elsewhere to continue his...

I read John Calvin Institutes over the weekend and it appears the interpretation that Eric_C mentioned is spoken of by Calvin. The thinking is that it is not a reference of 'when' but rather 'how' people ascend into heaven. -A

Do you ever provide anything of substance to the discussion or is your sole mission in these forums to point out what the "anti-Calvinist" is attempting at any given moment? -A

Hi Eric. I'm not disputing the fact that names were written in the Lamb's book before the foundation of the world. I'm simply disputing when the OT saints went to Heaven. I don't necessarily equate Moses and Elijah showing up at the transfiguration as the same as them being in Heaven. The text...