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evil..... rah -chaos destruction wickedness bad hurt harm ill sorrow mischief displeased/unhappiness adversity affliction trouble calamity grief misery disaster woe loss of peace..... see post #50 - click here i disagree.... when you say that evil was in the garden..... it wasn't.... adam...

if he was told not to eat of the tree of the awareness of good and evil then that would imply that he had no awareness of good and evil..... and why would he have been so tempted to disobey GOD to gain that knowlege that he already had?...... makes no sense..... it's not word games..... lets...

i disagree.... when you say that evil was in the garden it wasn't.... it has everything to do with our discussion on whether GOD created evil.... we are all trying to find in scripture when and where evil originated..... and through /from whom it came..... we need to be very careful about the...

nope... you're not long-winded.... just thorough..... and thorough is very good..... it makes meanings clear when you are detailed..... i just wanted to make sure i clearly understood your yes/no answers to my questions before we got into any detailed explanations..... helps me to understand...

but GOD didn't give adam a choice re the tree of knowledge to obey or not.... HE gave a command....adam took a choice where none was given.... some things GOD gives as a choice.... some things HE gives as a command.... HE makes it very clear which is which when HE speaks.... to disobey a...

it wasn't the tree of good and evil but the knowledge of good and evil..... da'ath means awareness..... prior to rejecting GOD adam had no awareness of evil.... only good..... there was no evil in the garden where adam lived..... adam didn't choose evil.... he chose to be like GOD as per the...

so in point form is the following what you are saying Bob?..... 1. GOD purposely created evil.... 2. but takes no pleasure in looking at it..... 3. and won't use it or send it or give it permission/allow it.... 4. and sent JESUS to redeem us from it..... 5. and HIS reason for...

thank you for this..... powerful word..... any other nuggets fom the book you would like to share?....

birthday blessings and prayers for her...... and for the celebration your family has for her..... :wave:

actually what i was/am saying is that when you remove GOD it changes what is left..... things change when you take GOD out of the picture...... so a cell that has GOD in it will function as GOD created it..... when you take GOD out of a cell things change somehow..... not exactly sure how...

but if lucifer could corrupt his wisdom that proves he can corrupt something GOD created..... GOD created his wisdom because GOD created all things.... lucifer/satan cannot create..... everyone here is agreeing that only GOD can create (once we got the semantics sorted out)..... making...

ezek 28:17 says the decision lucifer made resulted in corruption..... and more than that it says lucifer corrupted something... that is the key point the other side is making.... lucifer corrupted something.... we can corrupt something..... it isn't a new creation.... it is a corruption of the...

you missed..... 5. perverting or altering or corrupting what was created by GOD..... actually there really only seems to be 2 points being made here..... 1. GOD created all things including evil 2. GOD created all things good..... evil is a corrupted altered state of the good GOD created...

amen..... i agree..... i believe though that isaiah 45:7 is made clear by ezek 28:17..... a spiritual dynamic has been revealed in ezek 28:17 that must be fully accepted if we want to correctly interpret isaiah 45:7 and any other scripture that credits GOD with any kind of evil..... and i like...

i agree..... this is where it started...... this is the beginning of sin, iniquity, corruption, death, evil, darkness, etc...... they are all separate items but are completely progressively connected..... and GOD had nothing to do with them..... free will agents choose to reject GOD and this is...

amen.... i agree..... it took about 9 of us to do it.... and now it is done.... thanks to all who were praying as well as all who contributed..... love you guys.....

GOD didn't lose control..... HE gave control by giving free will to angels and humans...... HE made all things good..... everything was good everywhere until free will chose to resist GOD who is GOOD..... resisting GOD separates self from good..... apart from GOD there is no good...... absence...

GOD created everything good and then iniquity perverted it..... the materials were created by GOD..... the twisting of the materials was done (not created) by iniquity..... iniquity is choosing to rebel against GOD..... it is a type of hatred of GOD and good..... JESUS said they do not come into...

my understanding is GOD created lucifer..... who was perfect and beautiful in all his ways until iniquity was found in him.... and raged up from inside him and consumed him..... so evil came from the fire inside lucifer..... the devil wanted to be like GOD and wanted to be in the place of...

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