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    Amillennialism blown away by Revelation 20 (2)

    This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created. The old thread automatically closed is here: "Amillennialism blown away by Revelation 20"
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    Glorified church speaks of SALVATION that has now come!

    Who said anything about a resurrection in Hosea 6? Not I. It's about the restoration of earthly Israel. You do realize they've been desolated UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END, in fulfillment of prophecy, right? It's been about 2 days on God's calendar, so far and they are expecting to be fully...
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    What are your Presuppositions re: Revelation?

    Church = Jews and gentiles (sheep and other sheep) bought by the blood of Christ. Earthly Israel = Jews (sheep), chosen of God, loved because of promises made to partriarchs, their forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (and all those who choose to live among them). Genesis 17 1And when...
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    Glorified church speaks of SALVATION that has now come!

    Israel is restored on the 3rd Day so that they might live in His sight. Hosea 6 1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. 2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live...
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    10 Top Errors of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture View

    FOR WHOM!?! CHRIST DIED FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM. So, what happens to those who don't!?! The CHURCH is judged by the blood of Christ. By what standard is everyone else judged, SuperKal? What about Israel, those who didn't believe in Christ, who are still chosen because of the...
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    The Last Trumpet

    There is one last trumpet. Specifically, the LAST ONE.
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    Post-Trib Model Failure:The Day of The Lord

    Here's what we know from Scripture about the "image" of the beast: 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had...
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    What are your Presuppositions re: Revelation?

    There is no "trumping". (Please excuse me if I get short with you) The gospel, Jesus, the New Covenant - it's all about THE CHURCH which is made up of Jews and Gentiles. The New TESTAMENT speaks of the church's covenant, the New Covenant, where the Old Covenant is put away, made invalid, by...
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    10 Top Errors of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture View

    I imagine you "pick up and open a book like Ezekiel" in the same way you "pick up and open" any prophetic book of the Lord - with doubt and fear, just as you've expressed when it comes to Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation, Joel, Enoch, Zechariah...and on and on. No thanks. I'm not afraid of...
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    What are your Presuppositions re: Revelation?

    No, Ezekiel 37-48 are future. There will be a resurrection. There will be a millennial temple with the exact measurements as God outlined through Ezekiel in 40-48. There will be sacrifices. The land will be divided exactly as specified. Zechariah and Isaiah also describe the time when God is...
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    Seals/Trumpets/Bowls...Same Event?

    It's the same moment as Rev 12's war in heaven and devil and his angels cast down to the earth. The tribes of the earth do mourn and hide and from that moment they WILL see Jesus coming on the clouds about 3 1/2 years later at the end of the 7th seal. Jesus' return is when He appears...
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    What are your Presuppositions re: Revelation?

    What do you think this means: Romans 11: 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As...
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    Post-Trib Model Failure:The Day of The Lord

    So, let me get this straight. You, Dougg, have determined that THE abomination of desolation, as spoken of by the prophet Daniel (according to Jesus) is the antichrist/false prophet setting up an image of God in the temple and forcing everyone to worship it. You say this, in all seriousness...
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    Post-Trib Model Failure:The Day of The Lord

    Luke 21 does not tell us who was standing there, just Jesus who was speaking. Are you suggesting that some other people, yet again, pointed out the temple buildings to Jesus and he started on the same story, using the same words? Luke 21:5And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned...
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    This Age or Age to Come; no middle ground

    Who is "WE", whirlwind1? LOL! No Scripture says this. Isa 65:20"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered...
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    What on earth is going on......?

    And THAT is something to be concerned about. The NWO plans aren't exactly shaping up as planned, now are they? The everyday Christian American stood up and said "NO!" to the NWO agenda. I read somewhere that Soros and the global bankers threatened Obama - that if he didn't get people on...
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    Signs!

    LOL - very funny! If this was happening, everyone who is here should be (and will be) concerned: Rev 6: 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of...
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    Pray in Private

    Prayer (when between you and God) is establishment and continuance of a relationship between you and Him. Prayer (in public - in a church setting)can be very powerful because everyone (who already has that personal relationship with God) is agreeing and seeking the Lord collectively. Prayer...
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    This Age or Age to Come; no middle ground

    There is no reason, Scripturally, to believe that all the good and the bad are changed to immortal bodies when Christ returns. In fact, scripture tells of death and aging during the millennium as well as a multitude of people consumed by fire before the GWT judgment. Beyond that, Rev 20...