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Well now you've gone and decided to pretend that you don't know anything about anything. It's awfully convenient to forget the origins of the Charismatic movement when they're called into question--every Charismatic I defeated "forgets" about it. They pretend that it was always around since...

No, the only way is the way the Church has taught the faithful in all the centuries since the ascension of Jesus Christ into Heaven. Charismaticism wasn't invented until the 1960s and it was based on something made up in the 19th century by Protestants.

Dodging again. You deny the oneness of the Catholic Church. The Church provides for the establishment of religious orders, not for two separate ways of observing the same religion.

Sounds like crash dieting.

So you just denied that the Church is One. QED.

The Rosary and the Divine Office. Here's the Breviary for free: Divinum Officium I recommend the 1962 Rubrics.

If Catholics are one Church--that is to say, One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic--how can it be one Church if there's two groups: vanilla Catholics and Charismatics?

Well it's a good thing that he's not a priest. He's just stating his opinion and I try to look beyond the attitude and the bad hair and the pencil thing to hear it.

So you're saying that your objectivity is greater than mine, and that I'm not able to look at the movement objectively despite having been part of a 3-day Charismatic movement?

No, you misunderstand. Voris perceives what he believes to be problems within the Church and brings them to light, and for this he is called "arrogant" and "holier than thou" because what he says makes some Catholics uncomfortable.

Why do you ignore the bulk of my arguments and yet expect to be taken seriously?

As has been demonstrated already, the Charismatic movement is Protestant and Pentecostal by nature. Nothing practiced by the Charismatic movement has been part of Church teaching or practices for the vast majority of the Church's existence. The burden of proof is on Charismatics, not...

Don't worry, I already know the errors of the Charismatic movement and I know enough that that popes have not completely investigated it. Perhaps you would like to debate on a forum where the odds are against you? Perhaps you would be a little more surly if you had several people arguing...

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You didn't provide anything substantial. I explained why. NOW STOP VIOLATING THE RULES.

You're arguing a false dichotomy again. You're arguing that either the Holy Spirit manifested and manifests himself in the way believed by Charismatics or not at all. You don't belong here. This is the CATHOLIC board, and I linked you to the CHARISMATIC board. No, the bully behavior comes...

The people trying to save the Church appear to be acting "holier than thou" to those who are complacent in its diffusion and defense.

Like I said: Charismatic Catholic Renewal - Christian Forums Stop being a bully.

Oh yeah, since you guys are lost: the Charismatic board is Charismatic Catholic Renewal - Christian Forums that way. Buh bye.

If the Charismatic movement is as old as the Church, then why did St. Augustine write that the manifestations described in Acts of the Apostles cease after the Apostolic Age? Why is it written that the Church no longer needs to be given the gift of tongues ever since it came to know all tongues?