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Man oh man. One would think God to be at His most glorious as He sits on the throne of heaven, and what would naturalism have to say about that hmm? Creation is simply a small extension of His glory, of which transcends all that is humanly perceivable and of the natural order. Best believe He is...

Solid.

Would you claim to have a practical view of the narratives that evolutionary theory presents us? Do you even know what evolution is? Given universal common descent, the very first primate species at the entrance of our phylogenetic ''branch'' most certainly could no have possessed any intellect...

It would seem that everyone has been programmed to view only black and white, creationist or TE. You only reaffirm my point in regards to the influence of Biblical predispositions, which have been constantly perpetuated rather than choosing to read the scriptures transparently and without...

I am not a YEC, and I am sure you can understand the falsehood in equating an argument for OEC with an argument for naturalism and the theories involved thereof.

Do not misunderstand me, God is involved on both natural and super natural levels, I agree. The naturalist mindset is what I address, and I notice how quickly it is taken to extremes. Whether anyone would care to agree is not the issue, the human body itself is a testament to super natural...

...We are to believe that God was muddled and confused with His intentions, claiming that all He made was good and perfect yet concurrently requiring millions of years of death and decay in order to select and produce biological life. We are to believe God intended death and decay to be a...

There is myself along with two others in this thread trying to tell you otherwise. Rather than study the passage in question and attempt to understand it properly, 99% of your argument revolves around quoting unrelated passages and trying to make them fit. Except that it is the prince to come...

You do bring a good point, as that portion is mostly prophetic it would make sense that the sanctuary indeed hasn't been built yet.

I hold to pre-wrath rapture, this doesn't imply me believing I won't be tested. Regardless, what is the equivalent of passing the test/escaping the winepress?

Yet you fail to provide any concrete evidence as to this "all out protection" we will somehow receive, of which is where this apparent "contradiction" comes from. So you hold there will be no death throughout this time? Same concept as arguing God flooded the earth "symbolically" and...

True indeed, meant chapter 13, don't know why I said chapter 11. Not just one, you are saying practically every translations is "bad" because they do not cater to what you want to believe of that passage. The passage is is clear cut. Let's look at some definitions of the word "should"...

Your interpretation does not hold, you cannot seem to understand this. Even if we are to look at the structure of the sentence... Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come You have both the Messiah and the "prince to come" mentioned...

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: " The tree of life was something Adam and Eve had access to before the Fall, when they walked through the...

Your not getting the point. It is not the people of "Christ" that caused the destruction of the sanctuary, hence the prince to come as mentionned in Daniel is not Christ.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. KJV 15And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the...

Assuming post-tribulation to be reality, there is no point at all to try and plan out some sort of survival guide. You are going to die. If not by the various events of sheer supernatural destruction, then by simply refusing to worship the Beast (meaning the anti-christ, satan's "advocate")...

And btw Zeke, those who are present in the GT and refuse to worship the beast will be killed, at least the majority will. "He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the...

Among Revelations 12 as the TC quoted, there is indeed over whelming evidence pointing to the Church's presence in God's courts throughout the outpouring of His wrath, which is the GT. There is not a single shred of any evidence that can prove such a ludicrous statement as God's wrath being...

Daniel has much, much, much to say about the anti-christ along with his relation to the Roman empire. Again I repeat, this is misinterpretation, it cannot be Christ. "And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. " If you claim this prince is...